Talk:2008 Iwate–Miyagi Nairiku earthquake

In Japanese
Can iask people to look at the query i have raised at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources...? Simply south (talk) 01:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Magnitude
Is it 7.2 or 6.8? Rmhermen (talk) 05:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, we really need some kind of comment or clarification as to how there can be such a difference in magnitude estimates, or at least a link. Also mention something about the Mercalli scale value might be useful too. 119.11.51.107 (talk) 06:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA) has its own magnitude scale. This quake is estimated at JMA magnitude Mj 7.2 (initially Mj 7.0) by JMA, and at moment magnitude Mw 6.8 by U.S. Geological Survey (USGS). I will include this point in the article. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

merge aftershocks
the article isn't so large to have a subpage yet-- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 17:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

It might get bigger, so I think we should wait. ~ Me ldshal  42  18:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The USGS is recording multiple aftershocks. I agree let's wait this one out for at least a day. --Edwin Larkin (talk) 20:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I have put "not in citation given" (failed verification) tag in that article. (Talk:List of 2008 Iwate earthquake aftershocks) We can't use the data to mean the aftershocks. No verification exists that the data are free from info on any non-related earthquake. More than 300 felt aftershocks have been observed, according to the statistics by Japan Meteorological Agency as of every hour on the hour. Such statistics must be common among major news media in Japan. How about using the JMA statistics instead? --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 03:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Redirecting and renaming
This article seems not to be renamed again in a near future, so I just now added 9 pages to be redirected to it: Nos. 3 to 11. (When we rename it, we should check redirects by clicking "What links here" in the toolbox.)
 * 1. (initially named) 2008 Iwate Earthquake
 * 2. Iwate earthquake
 * 3. Iwate Earthquake
 * 4. Iwate Miyagi earthquake
 * 5. Iwate Miyagi Earthquake
 * 6. Iwate-Miyagi earthquake
 * 7. Iwate-Miyagi Earthquake
 * 8. Iwate Miyagi Nairiku Earthquake
 * 9. Iwate-Miyagi Nairiku Earthquake
 * 10. Iwate Miyagi Nairiku Earthquake in 2008
 * 11. Iwate-Miyagi Nairiku Earthquake in 2008

Probably these are enough for readers.... --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 03:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Location and distances
It's better not to use Template:convert to convert a roughly-rounded number. That makes the result less accurate. If the result is rounded again, the error may become larger. Listed below are the sources to state the epicenter is about 85 km (55 mi) away from Sendai, about 385 km (240 mi) away from Tokyo. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 08:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Unit conversion:
 * 1.609344 km =1 mi

Calculation tool:
 * "距離と方位角の計算" (GSI)

The epicenter (JMA):
 * the south of the inland part of Iwate Pref.
 * 39°01′42″N, 140°52′48″E

Sendai:
 * Sendai City Office (仙台市役所)
 * 38°15′55″N, 140°52′22″E -- 84.7 km ( 52.6 mi)
 * Sendai District Meteorological Observatory (仙台管区気象台)
 * 38°15′33″N, 140°54′04″E -- 85.4 km ( 53.1 mi)

Tokyo:
 * The Diet Building (国会議事堂)
 * 35°40′21″N, 139°44′53″E -- 385.7 km (239.7 mi)
 * Japan Meteorological Agency (気象庁)
 * 35°41′11″N, 139°45′54″E -- 383.8 km (238.5 mi)

--Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 08:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. I've put the miles first, as they were when I originally put the information in the article, but kept your numbers. Fg2 (talk) 09:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter as to the cases above, but the principle is to state a bare value first. Stating the depth as "5 mi (8 km)" is not good because "8 km" is a bare value by JMA and "5 mi" is a result of conversion. As to each of the cases above, either will do, because both values (km and mi) come from one bare value calculated by the tool. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 09:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Please excuse my edits: I didn't mean to cause a bunch of reversions. I've put km first as described by the manual of style and have avoided the conversion template. Wikky Horse (talk) 18:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Trucks and Earthquakes..Same Killer?
"another (death) occurred when a truck struck a man." With respect to the deceased, I just have to bring up the point that this article is about an Earthquake, not a traffic accident.

Edwin Larkin (talk) 15:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The man was surprised by the earthquake and got out of his house then hit by a truck. Oda Mari (talk) 18:05, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Again I mean no disrespect, but you are saying a surprise killed the man? This seems a bit indirect to attribute the death of this man to the earthquake. Take this scenario for example: An alarm clock surprises a person; the persons runs outside; the person is hit by lightning and killed. Is the alarm clock responsible for the death? --Edwin Larkin (talk) 18:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The media in the US have indirectly attributed the death to the earthquake. It should stay that way. Mike H. Fierce! 19:05, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Typical sensationalism as I suspected. I am going to remove the truck incident from the article. Please convinvce me if you think otherwise.--Edwin Larkin (talk) 20:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not up to Wikipedia to determine whether a death was caused by an earthquake or not. This is attributed to a reliable source. I have returned it to the article. Fg2 (talk) 22:05, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Fg2. It's not our job. I had the same question on my mind, but it's not easy to draw the line. e.g. Suppose that a sleeping old man was surprisedly awoken by the quake and fell from his bed to death; is it OK to say the old man's case is a quake-related death and the truck-struck man's case is not? Such decisions are officially attributed to the local authorities or the national three powers. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

With hurricanes, we always differentiate between direct and indirect deaths. A direct death in a hurricane is one caused by floodwaters, wind debris, building collapse, etc. But then there are the indirect deaths, like the people who died in the bus during the Hurricane Rita evacuation. They died because of the hurricane, but the hurricane didn't kill them. This is a similar situation. It is a death attributable to the earthquake that was not directly caused by it. --Golbez (talk) 23:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Definitely some convincing arguments. There seems to be more of a consensus for this piece of info remaining in the article.--Edwin Larkin (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Casualties
According to the following report http://www.bousai.go.jp/kinkyu/iwate/2008-iwate-cao-024.pdf the actual number number of deaths is 13, neither 12 (as the English version of this article claims) nor 17(figure taken from the Japanese version. Does this have anything to do with the man who was hit by the truck? -- 114.158.144.33 (talk) 16:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

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