Talk:2008 Pacific hurricane season/Archive 1

New advisory procedure
I found this message from the NWS:

EFFECTIVE MAY 15 2008...THE TROPICAL PREDICTION CENTER/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER /NHC/ WILL CHANGE THE ISSUANCE CRITERIA FOR THE TROPICAL CYCLONE PUBLIC ADVISORY /TCP/ PRODUCT FOR STORMS IN THE EASTERN PACIFIC HURRICANE BASIN. THIS AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY BEGINS AT LONGITUDE 140 DEGREES WEST AND EXTENDS TO THE EAST.

THE FOLLOWING PRODUCTS ARE AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE:

HURRICANE BASIN	      AWIPS ID	        WMO HEADING EASTERN PACIFIC       TCPEP/1-5/	WTPZ/31-35/ KNHC

CURRENTLY PUBLIC ADVISORIES FOR THE EASTERN PACIFIC HURRICANE BASIN ARE ISSUED ONLY WHEN TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL CYCLONES ARE EXPECTED TO THREATEN LAND AREAS WITHIN 48 HOURS. EFFECTIVE MAY 15 2008...PUBLIC ADVISORIES WILL BE ISSUED FOR ALL EASTERN PACIFIC TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL CYCLONES...REGARDLESS OF PROXIMITY TO LAND AREAS.

THIS CHANGE IN ISSUANCE CRITERIA FOR EASTERN PACIFIC /TCP/ PRODUCTS PROVIDES A UNIFORM SERVICE LEVEL ACROSS THE ATLANTIC...EASTERN PACIFIC...AND CENTRAL PACIFIC HURRICANE BASINS. THERE ARE NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE PRODUCT.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/notification/scn08-13trop_cyc-epac.txt

That means that full advisories will be available for all EPAC storms, including fish storms (which most are). CrazyC83 (talk) 03:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That is good news as there is not point having Public Advisorys for all CPAC and atlantic storms and not having them for Epac storms. However it begs the question are they going to issue public advisorys for storms before 15th May Jason Rees (talk) 01:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

TD1 Article
User:Hurricanehink/Sandbox - For when it is needed, it's ready. I'll be updating it as info comes in, though I plan on publishing it when it reaches tropical storm status. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And it all starts again. - CWY2190    ( talk  •  contributions )  04:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Hurricanehink. I was wondering, if TD 01-E survives the landfall and emerges into the Caribbean or GOM, and strengthens into a tropical storm, what would it be named? Arthur or Alma? Weatherlover819 (talk) 06:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It depends. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 06:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Alma probably won't make across Nicaragua. For example here.--Arlene87 | Talk to Me | Active Storms:: STS Nakri 21:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But that one was a TD even before landfall. --Matthiasb-DE (talk) 09:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently if it keeps it's circulation then it would keep the same name. Cryomaniac (talk) 16:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well Lixion Avila clarified this question: [ARTHUR] IS NOT DESIGNATED TROPICAL STORM ALMA BECAUSE THE SURFACE CENTER OF ALMA DISSIPATED OVER THE HIGH TERRAIN OF CENTRAL AMERICA YESTERDAY --213.155.231.26 (talk) 18:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

TD2
I made a sandbox. It has been a while and I am nothing if not rusty. Thoughts, comments, etc, all welcome.  Plasticup  T / C  12:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think these type of articles (very weak cyclones over open water) are needed during the operation of the storm (or maybe never). It makes it much more annoying to update and all the info available could go in this article. -  CWY2190    ( talk  •  contributions )  15:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Boris became the first hurricane of the season we should have an article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.254.254 (talk • contribs)

Neat MODIS image
Boris and Christina together. It probably isn't useful for inclusion in the article, but it is pretty neat.  Plasticup  T / C  15:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * we should do it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.254.254 (talk • contribs)

Running best track
The NHC and JTWC began a running best track in July of 2007. They contain the final track information months in advance. Please use the information placed on the tracks with the information on this page. In the best track, Boris's winds were increased to 80mph and the pressure was lowered to 985mb. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sweet! Link? ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Here it is. Never would have noticed it changed.  -  CWY2190    ( talk  •  contributions )  02:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I am concerned at using that if there is a substantial change. If that is a running best track, that means it is able to be changed at any time. I would personally rather use the operational data until the TCR comes out, but that's just me. After all, the advisories are the most visible. The running best track seems a bit secretive. One last question which might change my mind - did any of the storms from last year have their intensities changed between when the running best track was released, and when the TCR came out? ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there were. Afterall, they just ammended the TCR track of Dean a few months ago.  Weather or not to use the running BT, I say yes.  But I don't care either way. -  CWY2190    ( talk  •  contributions )  02:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to include the link to the page. This site contains all the best tracks for 2008. Changes, if any, to the tracks are updated about 12-24 hours after the initial warning for that time. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC) For the changes in best track in the TCR, I think they change it in the running best track first. They changed the track for Boris around when it reached 80mph twice. The first changed it to it only having held category one status for 6 hours instead of 12. the second changed it back to 12 hours but increased it to 80mph. The NHC didn't include the updates for the best track until this year, and they started later than the JTWC, Felix was the first with the track on that site. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

The running best track for Fausto downgraded it to a Category One with peak winds of 90mph (two separate times). This may be because of the 3 hour difference in advisory times but we'll have to wait until the TCR comes out to verify that i guess. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Hernan picture
The original says wunderground.com and has a State Farm logo on it. I doubt it's in the public domain.Potapych (talk) 18:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is. Because of the image wunderground is using is from NASA (see text at the top courtesy of NASA). --Matthiasb (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

October

 * 17E.NONAME - Tropical Depression


 * Best status from NHC: 30kts 1007 mb
 * 93E.INVEST first appeared 2008-10-23, 1100z @ 12.3ºN 105.2ºW.
 * TCFA from WTPN21 2008-10-23, 1500z @ 13.0ºN 105.3ºW.
 * Tropical Depression Seventeen-E from NHC 2008-10-23, 1615z @ 13.1ºN 104.9ºW.
 * Remnant Low/Final Advisory from NHC 2008-10-24, 2100z @ 15.8ºN 107.3ºW.

NHC TWO
 * 2008-10-21, 1800z
 * 2008-10-22, 0000z // 0600z // 1200z // 1800z //
 * 2008-10-23, 0000z // 0600z // 1200z
 * ( Refer to Tropical Cyclone Advisories after 23/1200z )

NHC TWO Post Tropical Cyclone
 * 2008-10-26, 0000z // 0600z // 1200z // 1800z

NHC Tropical Cyclone Advisories
 * Tropical Depression Seventeen-E


 * 94E.INVEST -


 * Best status from NRL: 20 kts 1010 MB
 * 94E.INVEST first appeared 2008-10-25, 0000z @ 13.5ºN 132.7ºW.

NHC TWO
 * 2008-10-24, 1800z
 * 2008-10-26, 0000z // 0600z // 1200z // 1800z

Tropical Cyclone Reports
01E.Alma - released July 7, 2008 02E.Boris - released October 17, 2008 04E.Douglas - released September 16, 2008 05E.NONAME - released September 7, 2008

06E.Elida -released September 28, 2008 09E.Hernan - released on October 13, 2008 12E.Karina - released on October 20, 2008

Alma
- not much change. No increase to hurricane status, though there are plenty of meteorological observations included. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, don't usually see a TCR this early. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 23:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This season and it's Atlantic counterpart both started pretty slowly - I guess Brown had some time on his hands. Is anyone going to try and work it into the Tropical Storm Alma (2008) article?  Plasticup  T / C  15:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

05E
- Nothing different here. It does have a rainfall maximum of 5.51 inches though – Cyclone biskit  18:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Douglas
- No changes that I can see. bob rulz (talk) 16:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Elida
- As Douglas, nothing different here. -Ramisses (talk) 16:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There were some minor changes in the intensity of certain points in the track. Operational data had Elida as a Cat:2 for 24 hours, it's now been reduced to 18, also, operational data had it as a hurricane for 16 advisories, now reduced to 15, resulting in an ACE of 11.45, 0.25 less than the operational data. Minor changes, but still there. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Hernan
nothing new, just degenerated faster. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Look again, Its peak was a 105 knots not 100.Leave Message orYellow Evan home 22:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's operational peak was 105 knots...Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Boris
Some changes to the track intensity, reached 60mph quickly in it's life before weakening to 50mph. It also help hurricane status 6 hours longer. Confirmed the 80mph 985mb peak put out by the ATCF. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Karina
Remains a tropical storm, 12 hours total at 40mph. not much else. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hurricane Boris
Added date of dissipation of Boris' remnant low--Marmon55 (talk) 20:23, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Hernan merge?
It NEEDS an article now. its a Major hurricane and it will have one by tomorrow, possibly under the name Hurricane Hernan72.193.254.254 (talk)

I really do No need for such a stubby article on a storm that never touched land. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge badly. It's short, and it's pointless. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No Merge Hold out on the merge for now. I'm currently working on rewriting the whole article. Wait until I've finished, then see if it still needs to be merged. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Fine with no merge for now. Don't forget to use TWO's and TWD's (both on here). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to move the article to a user sub page for now. I'm tired and I don't want to do a sloppy job on it. Sorry for delaying it. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No MergeIt has not been edited since Labor Day, butI think we should all help Cyclonebiskit do the job.--72.193.254.254 (talk) 04:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't see any need for an article on Hernan. It didn't affect any land, it didn't set any records, and overall there wasn't much of anything special about it. However, if you are interested in article writing, there are plenty of older storms that either have articles and need work, or caused some impact on land but do not have an article. Or, if you want to focus on Hernan, you could always work on the section in the season article. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:16, 10 August 2008 (UTC) This article dose not need to be merged if you look and the to do section of this page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.254.254 (talk) 17:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

No need for such a stubby article on a storm that never touched land. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge badly. It's short, and it's pointless. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No Merge Hold out on the merge for now. I'm currently working on rewriting the whole article. Wait until I've finished, then see if it still needs to be merged. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Fine with no merge for now. Don't forget to use TWO's and TWD's (both on here). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to move the article to a user sub page for now. I'm tired and I don't want to do a sloppy job on it. Sorry for delaying it. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No MergeIt has not been edited since Labor Day, butI think we should all help Cyclonebiskit do the job.--72.193.254.254 (talk) 04:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

This article is horribly written, lacks citations, and is unneeded. I'm going to be bold and merge unless there are any objections. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  18:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No objections. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

undid merge,there is objection.--Yellow Evan (talk) 19:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Undid your undoing. No offense, but the article is bordering terrible, and there is no need for an article of that quality on a non-notable storm. Also, I see nowhere Cyclonebiskit objecting, so may I ask if you're lying to further your opinion? –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  19:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to this, there's no reason for the article other than personal interest, and I agree with JC, this article is horribly written. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No more merge is my guess now, I'm almost done with the Meteorological history section, which was significantly expanded, and the intro paragraph will be updated shortly after and then the article should be complete (well, reasonably at least). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Do you want to add anything about naming to the impact section? That seems to be the default way to expand such short articles (eg. Tropical Storm Lee (2005), Tropical Storm Erick (2007)). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't really add anything about the naming until the TCR comes out. Also, the article is finally done. It's taken a lot of procrastination, aggravation, and time to get it done but it's there. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks good. And no, you don't need the TCR about the naming. We already know what previous storms were named Hernan. For citing purposes, you could use the EPAC best track. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I added that it was the fifth time a tropical storm was named Hernan in the EPac. Anything else I should add? Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would personally add the years, since the 1996 and 2002 ones have articles. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, the first paragraph in the SH needs sources. You could wait for the TCR to provide an early history (but that would mean you couldn't GA nom it in the meantime), or you could use the ftp://ftp.met.fsu.edu/pub/weather/tropical/Outlook-P TWO's] and TWD's. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, how should I add the other uses into the article? Also, my computer can't open the discussions so if it's not a problem, can you add it in for me? Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Something like, "Hurricane Hernan was used previously in 1984, 1990, 1996, and 2002." Have you tried opening the TWD's and TWO's in Internet Explorer? They don't work for me on Firefox, but they always work on IE. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a try, thanks. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've expanded the pre-depression section and added links to the 1996 and 2002 uses. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Julio
Julios article is created as he is threatening land. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 11:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support, although preparations and impact will need to be added when available. The general rule for the EPAC is for land-impacting storms (excluding depressions unless there is significant damage) to have articles, while storms remaining at sea generally do not warrant such regardless of strength. CrazyC83 (talk) 16:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Twelve
The NRL has declared the low pressure of the Mexican coast (Invest 98E) Tropical Storm Twelve. Winds are at 40mph and the pressure is down to 1000mb. The NHC hasn't begun advisories on it yet. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Weired i was waiting for the NHC to declare this System during the 1500z advisory run. They really must be overrun ill update the logs now Jason Rees (talk) 21:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Marie
The formation of Marie means that this is the first season using this name list to reach the letter M since 1990! Although this is "interesting?" trivia, I doubt it's really worthy of adding to the article. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 00:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There are 6 lists. All that sentence says is that 1996 and 2002 had less than 15 storms... not a particularly exciting fact.  Plasticup  T / C  16:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Least active September for EPac
In the NHC Monthly Summary, it states that "OVERALL TROPICAL CYCLONE ACTIVITY DURING SEPTEMBER WAS THE LOWEST EVER RECORDED SINCE RELIABLE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1971." I think that this phrase or any related phrase should be added to the article, as it is notable. It also states that "IN TERMS OF THE ACCUMULATED CYCLONE ENERGY INDEX (ACE)...SEPTEMBER 2008 HAD A VALUE OF ONLY 9% OF THE LONG-TERM AVERAGE." This should be noted, too. Weatherlover819 (talk) 09:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Pilover819, we should include this in the season impact.Leave Message orYellow Evan home 16:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The statement was "OVERALL TROPICAL CYCLONE ACTIVITY DURING SEPTEMBER WAS THE LOWEST EVER RECORDED SINCE RELIABLE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1971." The NHC may be using ACE as a measure. Both 1988 and 1979 had one September named storm (1988 had at two depressions, one of which was a continuation of Debby from the Atlantic; 1979 had one storm and one depressionsee p. 639) The only other possibilities that I can think of are that the NHC is considering downgrading Karina (one NCDC site does not include it ) while another one does (although it is obviously based at least partly on our article! ), and the NHC mentions that "ONLY TWO TROPICAL STORMS WERE NOTED DURING THE MONTH AND THERE WERE NO HURRICANES" so they may not be going to downgrade Karina after all. For these reasons, I think we should wait until the Karina summary comes out before including the above. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 22:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles
My goal is do pages for every storm by Christmas.--Leave Message orYellow Evan home 16:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you should focus on creating one worthwhile article before you create a dozen awful ones. We aren't going to stomach shitty articles on fish storms—unless they are well written they will be redirected back to the season page.  Plasticup  T / C  16:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoa, no language please Plasticup. Don't worry, if he makes more articles like the one he did for Hernan, I'll do the same thing. Rewrite the whole thing. I hope you don't make them regardless Yellow Evan, this is supposed to be a useful source of information, not a place to mess around and create poorly written articles that most wont understand. It will take me longer to rewrite them now, especially if he makes the one for Boris, the longer lived, the harder it is for me because of school. Ones like Karina are my specialty. I already have planned to save the article for Lowell tomorrow into thursday, because of an extended holiday weekend :). If he makes any on storms you don' like, just send me the link and I'll see what I can do. Also post it in the Project talk page, so others can work on them too, just so I'm not being selfish lol.
 * And Yellow Evan, I have planned to do so myself already. I have the articles for Iselle and TD 05-E in the making right now, I'm going slowly because there aren't many TCR's out, which means any article on a storm without one might need major updates when it does come out.Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Norbert
somone is doing page for Norbert.Leave Message orYellow Evan home 16:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Care to elaborate? Who?  Plasticup  T / C  04:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Dylan626 is doing an article for Norbert.Leave Message orYellow Evan home 13:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Norbert sandbox
It could become a hurricane and make landfall in Baja California, so I started a sandbox here. Its a stubby mess at the moment (My first sandbox), and I could use some help on it.

Regards, Chukonu xbow (talk) 02:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC).

NO: somone else is alredy doing a page.

16E
The NRL has declared that Invest 92E has become Tropical Depression 16E. The advisories will be started at 5pm as usual. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 20:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

This IS the west coast, people.Leave Message orYellow Evan home 12:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I live on the east coast...my time is diff than the EPac advisories...still same time when you add the time diff..Cyclonebiskit (talk) 12:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Then make sure you put PDT like the NHC does. Leave Message orYellow Evan home 13:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't put EDT when I update the current info, I only use it in talk pages. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Norbert sandbox
It could become a hurricane and make landfall in Baja California, so I started a sandbox here. Its a stubby mess at the moment (My first sandbox), and I could use some help on it.

Regards, Chukonu xbow (talk) 02:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC).

NO: somone else is alredy doing a page.

Norbert
somone is doing page for Norbert.Leave Message orYellow Evan home 16:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Care to elaborate? Who?  Plasticup  T / C  04:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Dylan626 is doing an article for Norbert.Leave Message orYellow Evan home 13:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

16E
The NRL has declared that Invest 92E has become Tropical Depression 16E. The advisories will be started at 5pm as usual. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 20:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

This IS the west coast, people.Leave Message orYellow Evan home 12:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I live on the east coast...my time is diff than the EPac advisories...still same time when you add the time diff..Cyclonebiskit (talk) 12:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Then make sure you put PDT like the NHC does. Leave Message orYellow Evan home 13:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't put EDT when I update the current info, I only use it in talk pages. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Tropical Cyclone Reports
01C.Kika - released November 30, 2008 01E.Alma - released July 7, 2008 02E.Boris - released October 17, 2008 03E.Cristina - released February 18, 2009 04E.Douglas - released September 16, 2008 05E.NONAME - released September 7, 2008

06E.Elida -released September 28, 2008 07E.Fausto -released November 19, 2008 08E.Genevieve -released December 16, 2008 09E.Hernan - released on October 13, 2008 10E.Iselle - released on December 5, 2008 11E.Julio - released on February 10, 2009 12E.Karina - released on October 20, 2008 13E.Lowell - released on December 2, 2008 14E.Marie - released on November 14, 2008 15E.Norbert - released on January 7, 2009 16E.Odile - released on November 19, 2008 17E.NONAME - released on November 24, 2008 18E.Polo - released on December 12, 2008

— Preceding unsigned comment added by VOFFA (talk • contribs) 01:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Eighteen-E
I've already begun working on a sandbox page for the article. I'm not going to publish the article until the storm dissipates to avoid all the commotion about the article being unnecessary. I'm only stating this so there is no edit conflicts with the creation of the article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

First things first we need to unmerge Seventeen-E. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 21:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * FWIW it won't exactly be the longest of articles, even if we get horseback hockey out of it. BTW, this season is now extremely likely to become the first one since 1996 to have no cyclones cross into the CPac from the east, the first since 1979 to have no cyclones enter the CPac from either direction. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 22:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

By the still have two right Kikia uless Polo somehow makes it there. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 01:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No tropical systems crossed into the CPac this year, Kika formed in the CPac, doesn't count as a cross-basin storm. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Unless Polo somehows gets their. Boris and Hernan did my close. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 01:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As remnant lows Boris, Hernan, and I think Marie did, but remnant lows aren't considered tropical systems. Eighteen-E might make it, but the way it looks now, it seems like it will dissipate before reaching 140°W Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * elida did to . How close is Sixteen-E away from the 140 line. If it manged to do it will it be a recored. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 01:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

It it made it there it would proboly be a hurricane at one piont and would set many records. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 01:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * All storms have the potential to break records. Let's try to avoid speculation. Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the November records are held by 2006. Sergio hold both the longest lived and strongest. It's possible that Eighteen could surpass Sergio in longevity, but not intensity. Eighteen-E is 2,061 miles due west from 140°W. However, since the storm is not going to stay on a due west track, it will take hundreds of extra miles to get there. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

What is the latest basin crossover? Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 04:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The last storm to cross into the CPac from either the WPac or EPac was Hurricane Flossie (2007) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 04:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I mean lattes in season year not most recent. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 04:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ramona. The earliest is Carmen, which crossed over from the west. The earliest crosser from the east is Barbara. (My error corrected) Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Another question any CPAC storms in November? Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 04:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The CPHC lists ten. They are: Huko (2002), 3-C (1992), Iwa (1982), Ruby (1972), Ramona (1967), Nina (1957), Unnamed (1906), Unnamed (1904), Unnamed (1874), Unnamed (1858). There is also Paka, which was a November depression but didn't become a storm until December. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This includes October systems that lasted into November. The November formations are 3C, Iwa, Ruby Nina, and the 4 unnameds. All of these systems formed in the central Pacific. Ramona formed in the east and later entered the central. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Last question, what are the storms the impacted land from through April. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 04:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * From what through April? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

November. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[


 * Iwa and Nina. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You mean no tropical cyclone has never effected Mexico in November. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 04:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hurricane Rick (1997) did. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 05:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I forgot about the EPac. Then yes, there are several more: Rosa (2000), Tara (1961), Simone (1961). Paka (1997) hit Guam in December in WPac, and Winnie (December 1983) caused rain in Mexico. I need more sleep. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 06:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Where are all the TCR's
i am wondering we are all the TCR's. Whats taking them so long why is Sevennteen-E or Cristina realesed yet. Of there are trying to do lowell you what that means 23 indirect deaths in the US. What could they pusbily been doing where is Kikia or Iseele. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox Happy Veterans day 17:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yelllow - The NHC/CPHC have 36 TCRS to do before next april and besides they are well ahead then some of the other RSMCs. (Nadi, La reunion, JMA.)
 * yes, but one forcasted (head)19. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox Happy Veterans day 17:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * and that means? Jason Rees (talk) 18:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What could the NHC possibly be doing. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox Happy Veterans day 20:17, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Remember, the do more than just hurricanes. (Except I don't know what else!) --Kirk76 1854 Atlantic   Hurricane Season  22:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No the dont. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox Happy Veterans day 22:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the NHC does go more than just publish Tropical Cyclone Reports. In any event, they're not terrible far behind schedule. The TCRs are already out for Alma, Boris, Douglas, Five-E, Elida, Hernan and Karina. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  22:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The NHC are not really behind as the last storm in their AOR only dissipated two days ago, and have released 10 of the 36 TCRS. Also you will find that the NHC are further ahead than RSMC Nadi who havent released their ATCR for 2006-07 or 2007-08 yet or the JMA who have only just relased their ATCR for 2007 today.Jason Rees (talk) 22:17, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah but Issele and Kikia and Seventeen-E and Cristina are not out yet it is November already. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox  Happy Veterans day 22:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Youve got to remeber Yellow that 17E was only last month and so its far too early for that report. Also they have untill March when the WMO meet to do them.
 * I know they will be saving Norbert, Odile, Polo, Genvieve, Hernan (CPHC), Julio and Lowell for then end. 17-E should is just a 3 paragraph essay. Gilma was realesed that same month and so was Karina. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox Happy Veterans day
 * It's really not doing any good by arguing about the NHC being late. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  22:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * True, what could they be possibly be doing when they realesed Alma during Elida and Fausto, two hurricanes. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox Happy Veterans day 22:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hernan never entered the CHPC's AOR as a tropical cyclone, thus no report on it will be issued. Also, you're saying that they are saving a full third of the reports until the last minute? Remember, they do take a lot of time to create since it does contain the final data on the respective storm. It all depends on the activity. Since the season is coming to a close, they can spend more time on them, meaning that more will be coming out soon. November-January is the usual time were the TCR's come out, unless the storm is extremely devastating. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * They did not even do the easy ones. Also, Hernan entered they area as a low and they did a report on Gulermeno a 2003 and the CPHC has nothing to do so they mite as well focus a lot on kikia and might as well do Hernan. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox Happy Veterans day 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actully Yellow the CPHC have got things to do - as they help RSMC Nadi monitor the SPac, also they only issued a report on Guillermo in 2003 as they operationally thought it was a Tropical depression when it crossed 140W Jason Rees (talk) 23:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Still. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox Happy Veterans day 23:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Marie TCR
Finlay, It says that it was a hurricane for double. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox Happy Veterans day 23:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned references in 2008 Pacific hurricane season
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2008 Pacific hurricane season's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "TCR":<ul> <li>From Hurricane Boris (2008): </li> <li>From Hurricane Elida (2008): </li> <li>From Tropical Storm Karina (2008): </li> <li>From Hurricane Hernan (2008): </li> <li>From Tropical Storm Douglas (2008): </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Fausto TCR's
Downgraded to Cat. 1. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home, User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 02:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Odille's TCR
No changes. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home, User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 02:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Intensity was lowered to 60mph pressure increased to 997mbar. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 03:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Kika's TCR
Kika Gained Tropical depression status a few times after its operational dissipation Jason Rees (talk) 17:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Added :) (to the WPac article I mean) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Class of article
The season article is missing any sort of season summary, and the lead is far too short for anything other than Start class. Fix these issues, and it will have no problems getting to C class. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Needs referencing and expansion, as well. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  01:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Lowell article?
When should an article Lowell be started? Should I start User:Yellow Evan/Lowell 08 soon? BTW, the TCR said that it did not skip TD status. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home, User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yellow Evan (talk • contribs) 04:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Where is the Article?
Where is the Article? HurricaneSpin (talk) 01:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Um as far as i can see the article is there???Jason Rees (talk) 01:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think he means the Lowell article. If you mean the Lowell one, it hasn't been remade yet. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

???I wrote this on the Odile and Lowell article, how come this thing redirects here? HurricaneSpin (talk) 05:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * They were merged right away since there was no improvement since they were merged. If you want the article to stay, please read over a few of the featured articles in the Atlantic to see how long a well-written article should be. Once you have an idea on how long to make it, start it in a sandbox page like User:HurricaneSpin/Sandbox1 or User:HurricaneSpin/Tropical Storm Lowell. When the article is long enough you can ask to have the redirect page deleted so you can move your page to the mainspace. Thanks, Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. HurricaneSpin (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Marie sandbox
Just note, i'm creating Hurricane Marie's sandbox. HurricaneSpin (talk) 04:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Is it already made? HurricaneSpin (talk) 00:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Is now released, long enough? Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone —Preceding undated comment was added at 05:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC).

Sandboxes
Could you make a list of storm sandboxes? HurricaneSpin (talk) 17:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hurricane Fausto-User:Yellow Evan/Hurricane Fausto(2008)
 * Hurricane Genevieve-None
 * Tropical Storm Iselle-None
 * Tropical Storm Lowell-None
 * Tropical Storm Odile-User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox/Tropical Storm Odile (2008)
 * Tropical Depression 17-E-None
 * Tropical Storm Polo-User:Cyclonebiskit/Tropical Storm Polo (2008)


 * For now, it's best to focus on the one you've already created. I've left a few comments on the talk page for Marie. Please address those before creating another article. Thanks, Cyclonebiskit 17:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Genevieve
Please note that ATWO says: A LARGE AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER OVER THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA AND CENTRAL AMERICA IS ASSOCIATED WITH A WESTWARD MOVING TROPICAL WAVE. SINCE THIS SYSTEM HAS MOVED INLAND OVER NICARAGUA AND HONDURAS NO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IS ANTICIPATED. THIS SYSTEM IS PRODUCING STRONG GUSTY WINDS OVER PORTIONS OF THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA...AND WILL CONTINUE TO SPREAD HEAVY RAINS OVER PORTIONS OF HONDURAS AND NICARAGUA. THIS ACTIVITY COULD CAUSE LIFE- THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUDSLIDES. as of http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/text/TWOAT/2008/TWOAT.200807180529.txt Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 03:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If you can find a news report or something that backs this up you can add it in. Cyclonebiskit 00:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It also produced rain in Hawaii. Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 03:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would look up on www.reliefweb.int --Matthiasb (talk) 13:51, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/hydro/pages/aug08sum.php It says Genevieve caused 1-4 inches of rain. Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 19:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just because there was rain, doesn't mean there was damage. Cyclonebiskit 20:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Douglas image
Should I upload http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2008184/crefl2_143.A2008184210501-2008184211000.4km.jpg or http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2008184/crefl1_143.A2008184180000-2008184180500.4km.jpg Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 23:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The current one is fine, those two are off centered and douglas is blurry in them. Cyclonebiskit 00:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why, but NASA always blurry the near edge part and a wierd color on the edge. Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 00:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Curvature of the Earth. The images don't make up for the rounded shape too well so it looks grainy/blurry along the edges. Cyclonebiskit 00:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've thought of that before. Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 01:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Should I upload this? http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2008183/crefl1_143.A2008183185501-2008183190000.4km.jpg the old picture of Boris seemed very weak. Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 02:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Crop it a bit to remove the excess water around it then upload it. Cyclonebiskit 23:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

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Merge?
There are ten storm articles. Five of which are clearly keepable, four of which should likely be axed before this goes to GAN (Elida, Fausto, Hernan, Karina), and a fifth is iffy (Five-E). All 5 can easily fit in the season section without any info loss. YE <sup style="color:#666660;">Pacific <sup style="color:#666660;">Hurricane  02:13, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I would axe Julio before Five-E since the TD did more damage.&mdash; CycloneIsaac ( Talk ) 02:18, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Julio is missing stuff from StormData, so that can be expanded. YE <sup style="color:#666660;">Pacific <sup style="color:#666660;">Hurricane  02:21, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I would axe four - Elida, Fausto, Hernan, and Karina. The others have enough land impact. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 13:04, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Five-E's MH is (or at least should be if CB hadn't written so many bloated MH's in 2008) so short though. However, given that TAWX has already written Five-E's section, and given that there is some objection towards Five-E so I feel the article still existing isn't problematic at GAN, so I don't see the point in the merger. YE <sup style="color:#666660;">Pacific <sup style="color:#666660;">Hurricane  15:30, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Karina definitely needs to be axed, it was a very weak storm that didnt do anything and lasted for only like 1 day. EDIT: I went ahead and merged Karina while properly following GA-delist instructions. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 20:33, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Any reason you merged Karina and not the other systems? Just curious. Fausto, Hernan, and Elida don't have enough content that can't be shoved without losing info for stand alone articles. YE <sup style="color:#666660;">Pacific <sup style="color:#666660;">Hurricane  20:49, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Doing one by one. Will get to those other ones soon. :P --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 20:50, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok. I just don't want this to fall by the wayside. YE <sup style="color:#666660;">Pacific <sup style="color:#666660;">Hurricane  20:52, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Hold on. If you're going to merge, make sure the content ends up in the season article. There is no reason for there to be *no* good coverage of Karina on Wikipedia. It has no sources right now. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:53, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Better now. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:57, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't throw a temper tantrum. I'm willing to bet that TAWX will re-write the section anyway like he always does. YE <sup style="color:#666660;">Pacific <sup style="color:#666660;">Hurricane  20:59, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I salvaged the MH from Karina's former article but condensed it and removed jargon that really doesn't need to be there. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 21:02, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * which is exactly what you're suppose to do. Good job. YE <sup style="color:#666660;">Pacific <sup style="color:#666660;">Hurricane  21:03, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

"Tropical Strom Kika (2008)" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Tropical Strom Kika (2008). The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 9 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:36, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Merge discussions
Thanks.  SMB9 9thx   my edits  23:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Talk:Hurricane Fausto (2008)
 * Talk:Hurricane Hernan (2008)


 * Oppose merging the season article into Hurricane Fausto. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 19:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose uh...Do you mean merging Fausto into the season article? Because now it says the opposite. Thanks. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 19:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't mean merging season article to the Hurricane Fausto article. It's the opposite. I'll also "withdraw" this as this isn't proper way of merging.  SMB9 9thx   my edits  21:58, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks.  SMB9 9thx   my edits  22:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Talk:Hurricane Fausto (2008)
 * Talk:Hurricane Hernan (2008)
 * Support Two nothingburgers of storms, did nothing notable enough for an article. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 23:30, 12 November 2020 (UTC)