Talk:2008 Summer Olympics medal table

Changes in medal standings
I think the two tables should be consolidated into one. We have three different status to log here, all directly related to an event (though in the case of Women's Shot Put, with two disqualifications, two different announce dates): 1) A disqualification has been issued.  WP:BLP rules would rule out any hypothetical or anticipated actions without sources.  2)  Confirmed medal advancement of subsequent placers following the disqualification. A slow process by the IOC and verification necessary by a reliable source. I'll note, the IOC is not good about publicizing their medal advancements, but other sources will commonly show a medal ceremony or report an unceremonious delivery of a medal to a displaced competitor. That needs to be distinguished from 3) The obvious but unconfirmed, hypothetical medal advancement.  Taking this into a second table makes the whole process confusing to the reader.  I think we can solve this by color coding the backgrounds of non-confirmed actions, obviously advancing to level 2) when confirmed by a source. Trackinfo (talk) 22:48, 13 January 2017 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, the second table is not needed at all. "The obvious but unconfirmed medal advancement" is very confused definition for it. The matter is that IOC itself does not reallocate medals, but request International Federations (IFs) do it. Some IFs, IAAF for example, has not clear single procedure for medal redistribution (or do not publish it). Some IFs, IWF for example, have Results Management procedures (http://www.iwf.net/anti-doping/reanalysis/), but the result of applying this procedure is not obvious. If it was obvious, the procedure would not be necessary, and IF would take a decision automatically. So the second table is only our suggestions. Nitobus (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Medal table source?
It came to my attention a few days ago that some of the values we were quoting in the 2008 Summer Olympics article were wrong. The value given for China's gold medals was 48, when the correct value is 51; the total medals won by the US is 110 but we were quoting 112. When I looked into it, I realised that many of the values in the top ten table disagreed with what I think should be reliable sources (BBC/ESPN) so I went and changed them in the 2008 Summer Olympics article and am now looking at the full table in this article. At the top of the Medal table section it states "The ranking in this table is based on information provided by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and is consistent with IOC convention in its published medal tables." But I cannot find these "published medal tables", or any evidence of the official medal numbers provided by the IOC, certainly not for Beijing 2008. (I have managed to find the official Beijing site, which again agrees with the values given in the BBC and ESPN sources). Please can someone help? I've altered the top ten again here, but there are many many discrepancies further down the table which I don't want to touch until I'm sure I'm looking at an official definitive source for the values. Thanks, Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:18, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I reverted this as you seem to be using sources that don't account for the dozens of medals that were reassigned following positive doping tests. If you look further down the page there is a sourced list of the many changes and disqualifications.  That said, it would be better to cite a single authoritative source for the updated tallies, but in a brief search I haven't been able to find an up-to-date table.  Dragons flight (talk) 18:51, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can see my mistake now, thanks for that, I must admit I was rather confused and I really should have known better! Unfortunately I've made changes to the figures in the 2008 Summer Olympics article too for which I apologise. I will manually revert those shortly myself but I do think we should consider including a note there to explain why our figures don't match "official" published lists that may surface via the web (such as the ones I got my hands on!)


 * I have found the official report for the Beijing olympics which is made up of 4 volumes. The first 3 volumes can be downloaded by clicking on the links but the results are held in volume 4 which cannot be downloaded for some reason. However, there is a link through from that page to the final medal table but this is obviously the results before the adjustments were incorporated, so it's not much use to us. I suspect this is just a copy of the figures in volume 4 of the report anyway.


 * The official Beijing 2008 site also has the "old" unadjusted figures and I cannot find any official final medal list published by the IOC, if one does indeed exist, which is now looking doubtful. I suppose I could always email one of the research coordinators at the IOC. Rodney Baggins (talk) 12:06, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I've changed the figures back in 2008 Summer Olympics and I'll think about adding a short note re. medal reassignments to clarify why the figures don't match existing web sources. Rodney Baggins (talk) 08:33, 12 July 2018 (UTC)