Talk:2009 Alabama Crimson Tide football team

AP poll first place votes
Do we want to keep up with the amount of first place votes received in parenthesis,

example:

It would be a fairly easy edit and can be explained in the caption of the template. Mattrob82 (talk) 20:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't know there was a discussion started on this. I really don't see the use of putting first place votes in this specific template. This is just to watch where the ratings progressed throughout the season and first place votes are not a rating themselves. I really think this causes more confusion to people than it does good. While you and I know what the number in parenthesis is, a lot of people will not and especially since it is explained by the template it just adds confusion. This template is used all across college football season pages and for the sake of keeping things consistent for people viewing multiple pages, in my opinion it would be better to stick with the standard of other pages. I won't change it for a little while and see if anyone wants to add their opinions into the discussion. Might be a good idea to post this on the College Football Project discussion page to see what everyone thinks. I don't have a problem if we change the template to explain the first place votes AND it is a change made to all the season pages. Rtr10 (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It has been a week and no one has even commented. If we have a number of editors come together to form a consensus on this maybe then we can make a change, but for now I'm going to revert back to the current standard of just listing the ranking itself and not including first place votes. Rtr10 (talk) 06:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason I didn't reply is because I've been through all this before at another page. Someone doesn't like the way it looks so they dig up some obscure policy and revert a lot of hard work put in by myself and others and create a long drawn out discussion that solves absolutely nothing. I personally like the way it looked and it's a relevant pieced of information that would be interesting to look back upon in the future. Mattrob82 (talk) 23:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter much to me.  But putting the votes on a separate row with a label seems better and clearer.  -Fnlayson (talk) 02:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand your frustration, but I also think it is very important to keep a standard with these tables, because many people will be looking at multiple pages (say Alabama's, then Florida's, then Texas') and when they stumble upon a ranking with a "(23)" by it. A lot of people will probably be confused. This is just a rankings progression chart. If someone wants to see the details of the rankings (including first place votes) they can click on the see also: 2009 NCAA Division I FBS football rankings link that is located right above the table. It has all the information anyone could want, including first place votes. This keeps the progression chart clean and easy to read. Rtr10 (talk) 06:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow! Talk about confusing. That, to the average person, would be 100 times more confusing than the simple way it was in this chart. Plus logic has it that someone looking at the AL then FL and the TX etc... pages would understand the numbers. Now before you say anything I understand that not everyone is going to comprehend what those numbers mean, hence the reason I put the note below the chart, but I've pretty much run out of patience as far as putting my extra time and hard work into a page and someone comes in and causes a big to do about some little mundane detail that I feel is an important and relevant piece of information. I'm not saying you have, this is just a little bit of frustration hangover from a previous page and the long, drawn out discussion that resolved absolutely nothing. Mattrob82 (talk) 22:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No, not really. Logically if someone wants more details on the rankings, they would click on the See also link that is clearly marked above the template, that will take them to an article specifically dedicated to the rankings of the season. We could cram a lot of information in these tables, including the total vote count, but that is not what the chart is for. It is for the progression/movement of rankings. Nothing more, nothing less. That is a pretty simple concept, but you are not seeming to grasp it. First place votes are important, no one is saying they are not, but it is not a ranking itself and that is all this chart is for, the progression of rankings through out the season. Rtr10 (talk) 07:52, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No I grasp the concept very well. The debate is over and you've won. Mattrob82 (talk) 20:11, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

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