Talk:2009 North Dakota floods

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Several editors added information on other North Dakota floods to the 2009 Red River flood page. There was also a rename. These changes were reverted.

I suggested this on the talk page for that article:


 * I understand the desire to add the information on the flooding of the Missouri and its tributaries. There are of course some features in common: heavy precipitation (especially snow) on frozen ground, ice dams blocking watercourses. One possible solution would be to take the redirect you created, 2009 North Dakota Flood and address the Missouri basin flooding there and also have a summary of the Red River flooding, with a
 * template to this more detailed and, in geographic scope, broader article. Kablammo (talk) 22:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * template to this more detailed and, in geographic scope, broader article. Kablammo (talk) 22:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Then this article was created, and the other article was turned into a redirect here (also reverted). I posted this message to that editor:


 * Hello. I think you are trying, in good faith, to follow the suggestion I made here that you add the other North Dakota floods to a separate article. Some suggestions:
 * Do not simply copy the material from 2009 Red River flood to the new article. There are reasons why that should not be done. Article history, including authorship, has to be kept intact; you should not cut-and-paste material from one article to another. Instead, write a summary, in your own words, for the new article, and leave the Red River article as is.
 * Another reason to leave the Red River flood article as is, is because there is also flooding in Minnesota and Manitoba.
 * Thanks. Kablammo (talk) 19:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

We should allow this article to be developed. To do so the copy-and-pasted content here on the Red River flood should be rewritten, and this article should be limited to the scope of its title (which likely should be changed to 2009 North Dakota floods). Information on the Red River flooding should be left to the general article on that flood. There will of course be an overlap, but there is nothing wrong with that. Kablammo (talk) 00:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have deleted the materials which are out of scope, reorganized some material, and added a background section. Additional text and cites should probably be added on the Missouri basin flooding; the Souris River flooding section needs text; and as mentioned above, the Red River flooding should be rewritten and also condensed (there is a lot of "old news" there; we already have a separate article on the Red River floods; and I understand for GFDL reasons we should not reuse text w/o its history). Good luck. (I'm done here.) Kablammo (talk) 01:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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