Talk:2009 Pacific hurricane season/Archive 1

99P
Dont know why, but NHC's satellite is investgating 99P. Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 18:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep 99P is being monitored as Tropical Depression 07F by RSMC NADI who havent got anything to do with this basin. Jason Rees (talk) 18:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they cover complete east pacific basin, maybe. Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 20:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

CPAC outlook
HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 23:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Where is the season outlook section? HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 14:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Forgot to add it, I'm working on it now. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

TD One-E Article
While we do not officially have a depression in the EPAC, it looks like we will have on next advisory. I think its time to talk when we should right an article on TD1/Andres? Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home, User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox
 * Not at all, please do not start an article on this. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't need an article on it unless it affects land or breaks a record, and the current computer models don't support that. Darren23 (talk) 14:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I also will back them two up and say that we do not need an article on TD 1E. Unless something happens like it becomes equvilant to a Super Typhoon or serriously afects Hawaii.Jason Rees (talk) 17:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * At the very least, wait until the end of the season. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And even then, that's highly questionable. No. Just no. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 18:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * At the rate we're going, we have a storm to have an article for. -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  21:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like it is going to reach Baja California. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 12:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * TD One-E isn't even alive yet, it is still 91E, and invests don't get articles (Unless it's a major flooding event.) Darren23 (talk) 23:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What about 90L? I heard it had millions of damage and left few dead. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 00:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 00:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Is there any weather data in Panama? I find out it had probably cause thunderstorms there. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 22:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It probably won't become a tropical storm, unusually west formation is not possible. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 14:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please keep discussion here related to improvements regarding the article itself. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 15:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Lets just say 92E becomes TD One-E, then Andres, and then a hurricane and then dissipates and has a decent amount of info with detailed discussions from the NHC, would it be ok if I started a sandbox? Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home, Sandbox
 * No. If TD One-E forms and reaches tropical storm strength at June 17 18:00 UTC, it will be tied as the fifth-latest first tropical storm. If it forms reaches TS strength earlier, it will be the sixth-latest, and lif later it will be the fifth-latest. The current sixth, fifth, and fourth latest first tropical storms, Aletta (1988), Adrian (1999), and Aletta (1994), respectively, do not have articles, even though discussions are available for all of them. The main reason being that the fact that a system is the Nth latest first tropical storm does not an article make. For the same reasons, an article on TD One-E/Tropical Storm/Hurricane Andres (2009) does not need exist if it is just a generic, routine fishspinner. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * What if it is enough for a GA? I can write articles as long as like Odile 08, only lasting 4 days, and besides, it might of caused rain in Mexico (probably), but looks like it is not going to become one. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 05:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All tropical waves come from the coast of Africa, and hence must have crossed Mexico or Central America to to the Pacific. Hence, any EPac TC that formed from a tropical wave would have caused rain during its formative stages. This means that for almost all Pacific hurricanes, we are back at square one. As fir Odile, it was close to the coast of Mexico and caused rain there. This future system likely will not do that; it's well out to sea and heading west. Even if the article is good enough for GA status, rather then making a Good Article on a routine surfswirler, you can add that GA-quality writing, research, and sourcing and make a good section on it, thereby helping the season article become a good article. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 06:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * MM keep in mind that Tropical Storm Erick (2007) is an FA and Hurricane Hernan (2008) is a GA and very long. Also, these days fishspinner get articles Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home, Sandbox
 * Now it is causing an closer effect to Mexico and forecasted to move northwest, and might have minor effects on Baja California. If Douglas 08 have an article, this will, too (It looks similar). HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 09:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The only reason Douglas had an article was because people thought it was a great idea to split an article for every last storm, which we realized wasn't a good thing. We were left with several crappy articles on storms that didn't affect anyone. If there's no additional content available outside of the season article section, does it really need an article? As a consequence, the large number of better articles on the lackluster storms meant that we didn't see the lesser quality on the truly important storms. Tropical Storm Alma was decent from the beginning, since people we onboard for that unusual and impacting tropical cyclone. But now Hurricane Norbert (2008), the costliest hurricane from the season and the 2nd most viewed after Alma, is still as crappy as it was when it dissipated. So please, this year, show a little restraint in clicking "create this page". ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * People have been bugging me about this on the IRC and JC was very rude. My quit message was I will not write an article for TD 1E for now. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home, Sandbox


 * Did it moved off of the African coast on May 30th? And could someone upload an cropped 250m version of this? The computer I am using now could not crop images. And an image for Linfa. Could someone really reply or upload the image?!!! And I am making a sandbox for it. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 01:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Getting back on topic I think tomorrow we should write an article, as by then the storm had already dissipated. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home, Sandbox

Someone is working on the article now, so please do not publish anything yet. There isn't much info available, so there is no need for the article. C'mon guys, show some restraint. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I can write a long paragraph for every day the storm last and I can make it really long since I had experinces for Epac storms. And could anyone upload an cropped 250m version of this image? Cause it really looks good for the storm. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 03:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No, please don't make the article. Someone is already working on it, and we don't want redundancy. There is very little outside of the storm history, so it's not needed yet. Again, please do not work on the article. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I won't, but did it move off the coast of Africa on May 30? And could anyone upload an cropped 250m version of this image? HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 03:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Latest start date records
I created an excel spreadsheet showing the seasons since 1966 and the date each tropical cyclone became a tropical storm (ie it is the date each system became a tropical storm; depressions are not included). As it is now June 12, and no tropical storm has formed, only eight seasons have a later date for the first tropical storm. For the sake of interest and updating the record in the article, I have provided the following information:

These dates are in UTC, BTW.

Hence, if Andres is named on June 19, this will be tied with the 1994 season for the fourth latest first tropical storm (ignoring the depression stage and the hour of strengthening). Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't forget Valerie of '62, June 24 Emily of '62 June 29 Natalie '64 July 6, Ava of '69 July 1. Natalie is the latest, on July 6, 1964 -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  21:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * She said she started at 1966, which is the start of the reliable record period for the EPAC. There's not much sense going earlier for lack of activity, as there was no way to know if there was not a storm. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * True -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  14:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Does this storm broke the record of being the earliest E. Pacific storm to have impact/ (make landfall?) to Mexico? I never heard a June storm to effect Mexico (make landfall?) to Mexican coast. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 04:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In 1951, Tropical Storm 1 made landfall in Mexico on May 20. That was the earliest landfall in Mexico I could find. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 05:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Lately, storms take an west track in June and July and most storm make landfall in Mexico during Late September and October, so the event is quite rare. (Due to upper level wind shear which northerlies into the deep tropics. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 05:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Beware that One-E doesn't fit in this table since it was not a tropical storm. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 16:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A number of June tropical cyclones have struck Mexico before. Andres in 1997 and Cosme in 1989 come to mind.  Early and late season storms do...it's rarer for a July or August system to strike mainland Mexico.  Thegreatdr (talk) 20:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not in Sinaloa though, that's what the record (or at least the one I put in the article) specified. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 20:54, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Forecast typo?
In the season forecasts box, it says NOAA issued their forecast on May 21st, 2008. Isn't that supposed to be May 21st, 2009 instead? 76.235.199.218 (talk) 15:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

NRL equals NHC
NRL, among a host of other web sites, uses output generated by NHC to create various products. NRL is technically not the primary source for any unique TC information. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Archive issue
Why are there archives in May and June but not in January? Both Archives should be merged and called Archive 1 in the first place Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home, Sandbox
 * The specialized archives are for the advisories, STWO, and things like that. The regular talk page comments haven't been archived yet. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Last time I checked, January was not in hurricane season :) -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  14:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Andres sandbox
I am starting a sandbox for Andres and if it made landfall as a strong tropical storm or a hurricane or it have significant impact it will be an article and otherwise it will be seen on the season page. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 13:05, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There is another editor already working on it, sorry. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:05, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe this is why there shouldn't be sandboxes. How was he to know?  Thegreatdr (talk) 13:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * True, very true. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I've said it before, but that's why we should have project sandboxes. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If someone is going to bother to sandbox articles, then yes, it needs to be somewhere where everyone can easily access it/see it. Thegreatdr (talk) 09:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * We need to be much better at remembering WP:OWN in these parts of the Wiki... that said, wouldn't it be a good idea to just write the sandboxes at, which would give us things such as WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Tropical Storm Andres (2009). We could all work on the articles there, and if we standardize on where we put them, we wouldn't need to have this discussion every χ days... Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 10:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I like Tito's/hink's idea. Just because someone starts an article in a sandbox does not mean they are the only ones to contribute to it.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the general idea of a project sandbox - but it DOES NOT work even when advertised well Jason Rees (talk) 15:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that is reflective of what has become of our project, unfortunately. For whatever reason, we tend not to collaborate well.  We tried with Camille a few months ago, and only 3 or 4 of us contributed to the new sandbox article.  The new sections of information have since been transferred to the main Camille article (via Hink), so it did make some difference concerning that article's quality.  The last article I remember a number of the TC project members becoming involved with over a period of weeks was the series of tropical cyclone FACs, which was quite productive.  The general meteorology project has a similar problem.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * To Jason Rees, how does it not work? We haven't tried it much yet. If for every active storm from now on, we did the project sandbox, then people would get used to the idea of it, and not to mention we can link to it on the discussion pages. To DR, maybe the lack of personal sandboxes would force collaboration a little more, instead of the same five editors. After all, we get brand new editors by the dozen when an article is on ITN, FAC, or TFA, so a little advertising might do some good. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "but it DOES NOT work even when advertised well" Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 18:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ITN? Isn't that the production company that made The Muppet Show?  What is ITN, wise one?  =)  Thegreatdr (talk) 18:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you're thinking of ITV or ITC ;) ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * More likely ITCZ :P Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 18:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Blanca
I am doing a sandbox for Blanca here: User:Anhamirak/Blanca. -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  17:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, stop, we've agreed already on not making that kind of article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  18:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Timeline Error
It's either just my computer, or something is really screwy with the timeline on this page. It works on other pages, why not this one? Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 16:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed, it went crazy for some reason. -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  18:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

When you try to substitute Hurricane in the line where Tropical Storm is (Example:"Carlos", so when you add Hurricane in place of Tropical Storm, the timeline goes all screwy. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 21:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ive found a solution - Do NOT pipe links in the timeline to the same page. Jason Rees (talk) 01:14, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, it was like that because I copied it from the timeline article because I didn't know what was wrong. -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  02:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well ive not put them on the PTS or the NIO timeline when ive updated them so i see no reason why we should have them in the PHS besides its probbably gonna be moved after the season to a summury section Jason Rees (talk) 02:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

What is the determiner for TC articles?
I'm still in the dark as to why certain TC's get articles, and others don't. Is it just the ones that impact land, or is there some other determiner in writing articles, because even though Carlos is in the open ocean, it still deserves an article (most hurricane strength systems, in current times, at least in the Atlantic and eastern and central Pacific deserve a medium sized, but well written article). Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 21:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's up to the whim of people within the project at any particular moment. While it should be done for systems which make landfall, some would like to have articles for every system, which is actually stated on the project mainpage...|the ol' overzealous masochist comment which was on our main page goals section through December 2007.  As long as they improve the articles to GA, it really doesn't matter to me.  I'm focused mainly on the met articles, with a secondary emphasis on season articles.  Sometimes I'll save a random storm article from GAR, or improve one which is close to GA already, or improve an article concerning an old storm which has an importance to the tropical cyclone rainfall project.  Creating new articles is not the end-all-be-all within wikipedia, even though it sometimes seems that way.  Improving their quality to GA+ is the goal.  The higher the article quality is, the more people tend to flock to it.  Thegreatdr (talk) 21:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ^^ What he said. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 01:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I could see an article for Carlos, I am pretty sure it is the smallest hurricane on record and if that is true then you have an assertion of notability as to why it should have an article. My advice, is if this is a record breaker then be bold and go for it!! - Marcusmax ( speak ) 14:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm already working on the article. I will publish it once the storm has dissipated since it isn't threatening land. As for the claimed record, it's not the smallest hurricane. I think it ranks as the third smallest TC on record, tied with Cyclone Tracy, and behind TS Polo '08 and TS Marco '08. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not the smallest tropical cyclone, but it is the smallest "hurricane" in that case. Even if I just uploaded the IR to Commons while its at the current peak strength, and figure it could help in any future article. - Marcusmax ( speak ) 14:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That new image is very impressive, I actually think it's rapidly deepening, might see a Cat:3 soon. Hopefully it will maintain this structure when visible satellites can see it. As for being the smallest hurricane, I doubt we can be that specific, we have to include other basins so tropical cyclone of hurricane intensity, it doesn't really matter now, it's getting larger. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the new update should be coming anytime now, if it becomes a cat 3 then that would likely help it acheive an article. - Marcusmax ( speak ) 20:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are going to write an article, you should get a picture now. They don't get prettier than this.  Plasticup  T / C  21:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Look how well formed (but absolutely tiny) it is in this image! An animation of the last 6 hours (+next 6?) would be a great addition to an article.  Plasticup  T / C  21:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure whether Carlos is going through a eye replacement cycle or it is just fizzling out again, but if it doesn't reform an eye we might see another large drop in power. - Marcusmax ( speak ) 23:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * On another note, we are going to have TD 5-E at 8 p.m. and Carlos' peak intensity is 90 knots and 972 mbar (from the best track) -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  02:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if (when) the td forms lets try to get it up promptly, make sure no one attempts to create any article on it at first; and from there just wait and see like we are with Carlos. - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 02:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Summary error
In the season summary below the predictions box it says "on June 23 the NHC determined that TD 2 had intensified into Tropical storm Andres; this markes the second latest date the first named storm of a season developed since 1969 when TS Ava was named on July 1 of that year". It isn't the second latest since 1969; it's the latest since 1969. I think this should be changed. Does anyone else agree on this? 76.29.112.198 (talk) 13:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've corrected the sentence you are talking about, thanks for bringing this to our attention. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. Also, in the season effects chart, it says that TD one made a direct hit to Sinaloa, and it made landfall, I think. 76.29.112.198 (talk) 21:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It made a direct hit instead of a landfall because it had become an remnant low before landfall. -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  21:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

CPHC/WFO Honalulu
Just so people are aware it was the NHC who assigned the name since the CPHC/WFO Honolulu are having computer Problems. Jason Rees (talk) 21:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Lana (2009) article?
Since Lana is currently impacted the US, so I think it time for an article. Here is a radar image showing Lana. 50 mph winds are possible according to this. Hawaii is now under a Tropical Storm Warning. Leave Message, Yellow Evan home
 * That's a radar echo on that image, it's not rain from Lana, the tropical storm warning is not for land it's for offshore areas and lastly the key word in the winds is possible. So basically, no article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * However, the BT in the top of this page seems not to be correct, but I didn't track it through the weekend. --Matthiasb (talk) 08:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The BT is correct - It just needs updating :). Jason Rees (talk) 16:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

However, Lana is quite likely to be the only central Pacific tropical cyclone this year, and is one of only four storms to form as depressions in the eastern Pacific, but be named in the central, and these two alone are fairly good reason for an article. I mean, some of you people wrote an article for 2008's Kika, and it was weaker than Lana, and didn't impact any land. In fact, Lana is the strongest central Pacific TC since 2006's Ioke, so yeah this another good fact about Lana that makes it fairly deserving of an article, if anyone disagrees, we can discuss it right here. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 16:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you ask me, if the article comprehensively covers Lana, it should stay, otherwise it will be merged. -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  16:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I wrote Kika before we had an implied policy on no longer making articles for storms that did not impact land. Since it has attained GA status, it's best not to go through the whole ordeal of getting it de-listed (same goes for the other articles in that situation). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Theres no point for an article on Lana, what would be in the article would only be an extended verson of the MH which we can cover quite satisfactorilly in the Season article. Jason Rees (talk) 16:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you kidding? Felicia will likely pass 140W longitude (becoming number 2 for the CP), and El Nino events lead to most of the TCs the central Pacific basin ever witnesses. No, Lana will not be the only one this year by a long shot. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hurricane Felicia
Felicia is already a hurricane, and is expected to intensify to a Cat3 major hurricane sometime in the next few days. If Felicia reaches major hurricane status, then it definitely deserves an article. I mean, who wouldn't think that a major hurricane, the first of the season, doesn't deserve an article? Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 21:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Lets see what happens but unless it makes landfall on Hawaii i would oppose an article. Jason Rees (talk) 22:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to object to this. We've already been over this. Unless the storm impacts land, it doesn't get an article, we have too many useless articles. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with no article for Lana, but Felicia will likely pass close to Hawaii, and if it makes landfall, or impacts Hawaii in any way, it deserves an article, if not, it just deserves a fair, well written section on the season main. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 22:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly - but lets wait and see what happens.Jason Rees (talk) 22:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the NHC track now takes Felicia toward potential landfall somewhere in Hawaii as a tropical storm. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 16:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There's a related topic in WT:WPTC here Darren23 (Contribs) 16:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * CB is working on Hurricane Felicia, which he will publish after it dissipates or impacts Hawaii. Darren23 (Contribs) 21:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Central Pacific disturbance
The CPHC is monitoring an area of disturbed weather southwest of Hawaii, and is expected to develop into a tropical depression tonight or early tomorrow, if so, this will become the first disturbance to originate from the Central Pacific this year. If it does, will it be called 1-C? Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course. The first system to form within the central Pacific will have the cyclone code CP012009 -- グリフオーザー (talk) 22:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, although they named a storm Lana, it was designated 6E Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the EPac, CPac, and WPac have independent numbering. As a previous example, in 1994, Tropical Depression One-C formed after Tropical Depression Eight-E was named Li. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 22:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The JTWC has issued a TCFA on the disturbance and, even though I do know that JTWC data is unofficial, its apparently highly probable that the disturbance will become One-C sometime in the next 24 hours, and if it potentially reaches TS intensity, won't this be the first occurence of multiple named (two or more) storms in the Central Pacific since 2002? It had 2 hurricanes and one system that reached TS status but not hurricane status (Ele, Huko, and Alika respectivly). Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 03:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * One-C's formation makes this the first occasion since October 31, 2002 with two or more TC's active in the CPac simultaneously. If we get Maka, this will be the first season since 2002 to use multiple CPac names. Also, with the formation of Lala, this and last season are the first time since 1993-94 that consecutive seasons have used CPac names. But don't add abything about Maka to the article yet; One-C is still just a depression; let's not get ahead of ourselves. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 05:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's El Nino for you. The lion's share of CPac storms form in El Nino years. CrazyC83 (talk) 12:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

names list
someone please fix the names list, someone deleted the break between the first two columns, so now theres one huge column and one tiny column —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.244.70 (talk) 21:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC) ✅Jason Rees (talk) 21:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

thanks. :) --68.163.244.70 (talk) 21:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

High res colored images
Quite a few are avalible. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 04:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Nine-E
Just a hypothetical question, what if Nine-E's remnants regenerate, and reach TS strength, while in either the Eastern Pacific or Central Pacific, would it be named with a name from the list, or would it be called TS 9-E? Comments? Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 15:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In the EPAC it would be called 9E and labbelled using the EPAC list. From memory if it redevelops it becomes TD 02C i think. Also whilst im here and its relevant per the Tropical Cyclone Operational Plans for the EPAC/WPAC. Basins crossers only retain their name if they cross at or above Tropical Depression Strength. Thus Maka will become Vamco if it reintensifies to Tropical Storm Strength. Jason Rees (talk) 15:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In 1986 and 1991 respectively, Georgette and Enrique both kept their names when they regenerated in the WPac after dissipating east of the dateline. Last year, Kika kept its name (even though it was only a depression in the WPac). Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 18:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Guillermo image
Is it an good image to crop-fix-upload? or just wait for NASA to have an better image. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 06:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It also looks like an major hurricane, not TS. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 06:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait until you get a imae that shows the whole storm with out blurring it. -- An ' ha ' mi  rak  12:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * . HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 03:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That image is already up on the article...Cyclonebiskit (talk) 03:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This one good for Lana? Or this ? HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 05:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The one that is currently up is fine Cyclonebiskit (talk) 05:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Hurricane Jimena
Didn't Jimena form at 0300 UTC on the 29th, and isn't UTC the time that hurricanes abide by? Also, Jimena, Two-C, and Fourteen-E all need pics. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 15:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll get the pictures within the next 2-3 hours. --  Anh ' ami ' rak    15:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

0000Z really - but yeah ive noticed several mistakes in the timeline.Jason Rees (talk) 20:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Image for 2C
Someone's gotta have or find an image for Two-C. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 02:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I cannot find one, I suggest we ask on the Project page. User:Itfc+canes=me Talk   Sign me!  Its good to be back! 08:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ive got one and i am uploading it now - Remember though guys NRL is youre friend when it comes to pictures of TC'sJason Rees (talk) 13:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There is an archive of great EPAC NRL images here  Darren 23  1000 Edtis! 13:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1 day before a TD. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 19:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, wait!!! I have a good image, putting on the main article. --  Anh ' ami ' rak    20:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Jimena's intensity
Did Jimena officially reach cat. 5 intensity or was it all a big mistake????? Because in the article it only says it was a cat. 4. 66.249.200.30 (talk) 16:26, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

According to the NHC it missed cat. 5 intensity by 1 knot with peak winds of 135ktsJason Rees (talk) 16:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * In the advisory, it said that it could have been a cat 5 early on September 1 (yesterday) so they might have a post-storm review of Jimena. --  Anh ' ami ' rak    16:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

See also: Timeline of the 2009 Pacific hurricane season
The linked article is getting stale. Do we really need a separate article just for timeline? - Bevo (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It is better to have it as a seperate article and it seems upto date to me compared to the PTS one.Jason Rees (talk) 16:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Pacific_hurricane_season#Timeline_of_recent_events is up to date.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2009_Pacific_hurricane_season is not up to date.  - Bevo (talk) 15:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Cause its recent events. Some of us don't have time updating that timeline. Darren 23  My Contributions 15:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)