Talk:2009 Tour de France

Stages table
This is not at all the table that is normally used in Grand Tour articles. See pretty much any recent Grand Tour, say, last year's Tour, to see the one commonly used. And I think that one is superior. This one contains a completely needless field, stage winner, which is going to be redundant to the riders' jersey progress table which will eventually appear on this article.

If by, say, the end of the Giro, no one objects, I'm gonna swap the table out for the more commonly used type. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 07:13, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * As I've stated in the Giro talk page, I appreciate the extra info there. Kevin McE (talk) 14:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Listing the stage winner and GC leader is one thing. I am willing to bend on that, if there's consensus behind it. But surely we don't 32 instances of the French flag? Nosleep  break my slumber 17:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I see little merit in ever showing flags: it restates info that is already present on the same line in most cases, in a way that might be "pretty" but is not clear to all readers (would you recognise the Moldovan flag if Alexandre Pliuschin won a stage and his name were not followed by MDA?).  I suspect it increases download size and time by a large proportion too. On another matter, GC leader and stage winner inclusion maintains greater consistency with presentation of early editions. Kevin McE (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a little bit spurious. There information for who wore which jerseys after which stage simply doesn't exist for races more than about 15 years old, so there's nothing to use to build jersey tables, except for pathetically bare ones like on 1992 Tour de France, which even though I built that, I hate it. Nosleep  break my slumber 18:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It has little to do with this conversation, but a jersey table for the 1992 Tour de France does exist, see . Newspapers reported the daily leaders of the Tour de France, and some of those newspapers are archived online. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 07:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

MOS:ICON: Flags should always be accompanied by country name. I think the use of the French flag in the table is way over the top. Tour de France - you would expect it to happen in France, right? SeveroTC 20:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Does that mean that the 1906 Tour de France results do not follow Wikipedia policy? :( This is one of the reasons that I had this article peer reviewed, but it didn't come up in the review! --EdgeNavidad (talk) 07:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

This is what the guideline says: 

Accompany flags with country names
When a flag icon is used for the first time in a list or table, it needs to appear adjacent to its respective country (or province, etc.) name, as not all readers are familiar with all flags. Use of flag templates without country names is also an accessibility issue, as it can render information difficult for color blind readers to understand. In addition, flags can be hard to distinguish when reduced to icon size.

Country can sometimes be omitted when flag re-used
The country name may be omitted if a flag appears with its country name earlier in a list or table. When a flag icon is needed more than once, the flag-and-name template, for example, or its shorter variant should be used first, but may be reduced to  in subsequent uses. However, some editors feel that some tables such as those containing sports statistics (example) are easier to read if is used throughout. The guideline goes on to talk about sporting uses and sporting nationality. All of which is pretty much why we have flagathlete. SeveroTC 23:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In this infobox, flags of participating countries are first given with their names. Following this, the flag alone is used to identify the nationality of military commanders.

Favorites section
Does anyone think it's a good idea to add one?Spacez320 (talk) 03:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it is. As long as it is sourced, by newspaper articles and/or betting rates. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 06:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Standings
Although there is now references, it is still unclear when the tables were last updated. Perhaps a line under or above each mentioned that the table represents the standings for the particular competition after which stage is needed? -MBK004 17:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Abandons
Where is the list of riders who have dropped out and for what reason and when? BT14 (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps on the Tour de France's website? It's something beyond the scope of a general-interest encyclopedia, and it really bloats the article when we should (and, at long last, are) use that space for other things like textual description of the race. Nosleep  break my slumber 09:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Earpieces
The riders on Stages 10 and 13 will still have earpieces connected to the official Tour radio. However, they will not have two way communication enabled. This allows riders to be aware of any problems with the road or crashes but does not allow instant communication with the team directors. Backstroke54 (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Has this always been the idea, or is this a reaction to the protests of the teams? Anyhow, find a source and put it in the article! --EdgeNavidad (talk) 06:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Pellizotti disqualification
I don't have the time now, but this article requires an update. Pellizotti may or may not already be removed from the results, and the other cyclists may or may not already have been upgraded (probably not), but something has happened, and the article should reflect this. If an anonymous editor comes here to check why I reverted your edit: it is because accurate sourcing is needed for this. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 17:13, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Pellizotti has been removed from the KOM classification, but he is still listed at 8th in the points classification. Is this right? --89.8.6.55 (talk) 12:22, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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Wiggins' placement?
When Armstrong's TdF disqualifications were announced, we were told that no other rider would replace him in the standings. Therefore Wiggins should have stayed at 4th (cf 2005 Tour when Armstrong and Leipheimer were DQed, but other riders' placings did not change). However, the UCI website shows Wiggins promoted to 3rd in 2009. But the TdF website shows him as 4th, which is what I was expecting. Since the TdF is not run under UCI auspices, who decides? How can this be resolved? Marchino61 (talk) 04:00, 25 May 2018 (UTC)