Talk:2009 in American television/Archive 1

Trimmed
In order to avoid any violation of WP:CRYSTAL, I have added references to everything I could in this article, and removed everything else. Please feel free to re-add content, if you can add a reference to a reliable source. --Stormie (talk) 11:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Television shows list
Would it look better and shorter if it were converted to have a split? Like this?

Taking a notes section completely out? (Tigerghost (talk) 16:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC))

Chaotic and The Spectacular Spider-Man
I have official confirmation that Chaotic is moving from 4Kids TV to The CW4Kids and The Spectacular Spider-Man is moving from The CW4Kids to Disney XD.

For Chaotic... well, the second season, M'arillian Invasion, has been airing on 4Kids TV while reruns aired on The CW4Kids. Well, 4Kids is basically moving their powerhouses to the CW4Kids, and have announced that 4Kids TV is going off the air... this weekend is its last broadcast. The first season of Chaotic will finish up this weekend on The CW4Kids, and M'arillian Invasion will have its CW4Kids premiere January 3. M'arillian Invasion will probably run through all the episodes that have aired on 4Kids TV, and then start new episodes. There's really no other explanation, or else there would be no home for Chaotic. Check your local listings.

As for Spider-Man.... just read this. Matty-chan (talk) 06:21, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Candid Camera, 1990s, shows ending
Regarding my recent changes: The Candid Camera article itself says the show has been out of production for over four years. Also, the total list for the 90s seems comparable in size to the list for the 80s, so it didn't seem necessary to break the decade into thirds anymore.

Regarding shows ending, there seems to be inconsistency over the years. In some years, shows ending in that year are not listed in their decade - only in the list of shows ending (in other words, ER would not be listed in the 1990s list). In more recent years, this hasn't been followed. There should probably be one set system from the 40s forward. Sahasrahla (talk) 21:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Super Bowl ratings
Super Bowl XLIII Ratings
 * 6:00 p.m. - Viewers: 50.10 million, A18-49: 20.0 rating/39 share, A18-34: 32.5
 * 6:30 p.m. - Viewers: 74.32 million, A18-49: 30.0 rating/58 share
 * 7:00 p.m. - Viewers: 96.54 million, A18-49: 35.3 rating/73 share
 * 7:30 p.m. – Viewers: 93.45 million, A18-49: 34.3/70
 * 8:00 p.m. – Viewers: 85.96 million, A18-49: 31.7/63
 * 8:30 p.m. – Viewers: 89.74 million, A18-49: 33.7/65
 * 9:00 p.m. – Viewers: 84.96 million, A18-49: 32.3/62
 * 9:30 p.m. – Viewers: 84.271 million, A18-49: 32.5/62
 * 10:00 p.m - Viewers: 66,441 million, A18-49: 26.6/55
 * 10:30 p.m - Viewers: 29.689 million, A18-49: 13.1/33, A18-34: 14.4

I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm sure that the stats are very encyclopedic, but there is no source and it clutters the page. I removed the stats and transfered them here for now. A resolution into what to do with this list would be most appriciated. (Tigerghost (talk) 13:55, 3 February 2009 (UTC))

Unit costs for primetime commercials on network television dropped 15% in the fourth quarter, a media buyer said.

The average spot cost $122,133, according to media agency TargetCast tcm. That finding was based on an analysis of data from SQAD Inc.’s NetCosts system, which gets pricing information from participating client invoices.

“The continuing decline in ratings—an overall drop of 13% across all the networks from a year ago—coupled with a declining broadcast economy is a recipe for lower prices,” said Gary Carr, senior VP and director of broadcast services at the agency. “The networks were forced to drop their prices to get what little scatter money was available from advertisers.”

The price of a spot on CBS fell 22%; spots on NBC dropped 13%; ABC ads were 10% lower; and Fox’s unit prices declined 6%, according to the analysis.

Carr said that while CBS had the smallest drop in ratings, its unit price fell the most because it had a lot of available inventory, Mr. Carr said. That inventory was available because the network didn’t have to provide many make-goods. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.98.215 (talk) 21:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Michael Jackson
My apologies if this has been asked before;

Wouldn't Michael Jackson's death warrant a mention in the Deaths list as his Death was Globally covered - certinally here in Australia that is true. The commercial channels canceled their Morning programs that day and had continued coverage of M. J.'s death until well into the afternoon. (With extended coverage in the main evening bulletins).

In the week following, a number of TV Specials were broadcast and the 7 network (Australia) (on July the 4th 2009) reported that 500 Million people had applied for tickets to his memorial.

Most of the news features over the week following his death show (amongst other things) performances on US TV shows (With the Jackson Five etc), Movie performances (The Wiz), various tv documentaries including one British TV Documentary which led to an investigation of bed sharing.

Media coverage of his court appearances, marriages, divorces, life etc

The Music video Thriller was broadcast as a special broadcast in Australia when it was first released.

I'm not that big a fan, however, I'm sure others following will ask the same question over and over again.

Regards,


 * --Timelord2067 (talk) 11:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Global or North American?
My apologies if this has been asked before;

Are these pages for Global Television Actors, or are they North American / British - centric only?

I do have some recent (and not so recent) deaths of Australian TV Actors - an example being Bud Tingwell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_tingwell who stared in long running TV series such as Homicide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_(TV_series) in Australia and Emergency Ward 10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_-_Ward_10 in the UK.

Many thanks,
 * --Timelord2067 (talk) 11:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless a year in television article is explicitly divided into global and country-specific parts (such as, for example, this one), it is OK to list both global and regional information. Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:02, July 6, 2009 (UTC)

Budd Schulberg
Is his TV work sufficient for him to be added to the Deaths section? Information yes (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * What'd he do on TV? All I see is his film writing credits. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * His IMDb profile lists his TV work. Information yes (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

ABC
Tom,

The way I see it disambiguation of terms is best done via plain text. We shouldn't require people to click on links. What if they're reading a print out? Moreover, this reliance on linking to disambiguate terms leads to the kind of overlinking we see on this page with the same article linked to dozens of times on the one page. Anyhow, that's my reasoning & that's why I still believe American Broadcasting Company should be spelt out and linked only once. J IM ptalk·cont 09:31, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There's only one other ABC - in Australia - which already has its own article. The UK and Canada also have their own articles too. I think this article should be renamed 2009 in American television and the info about UK, Canadian and Australian shows here should be moved to those articles. TomCat4680 (talk) 14:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That seems like a good solution. J IM ptalk·cont 18:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * What about the rest of these articles & the infobox? J IM ptalk·cont 18:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think they should be split by country. Also on a side note I don't think non-English language shows from non-English speaking countries belong on the English encyclopedia; they belong on the encyclopedia of their native language. I removed a lot of Chinese and Japanese shows when I Americanized this article. TomCat4680 (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Splitting by country makes a lot of sense (even if it meant merging by decade). As for the non-English TV shows, I'm sure some place could be found for them if need be; of course, it doesn't belong here. J IM ptalk·cont 21:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Renaming the article
TomCat4680 and I agree that this article should be renamed "2009 in American television" because we need to know about what American television programming will be on what days and the fact that American television and Australian television should be distinguished. Ericthebrainiac (talk) 15:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Two things that should not be on this article
There are two things that don't belong on this article.

First of all, the black Saturday bushfires event to remember the victims was not broadcast in the US. I'm suggesting deleting that event and moving it to 2009 in Australian FTA television or 2009 in Australian subscription television.

Second of all, A Touch of Frost is not a show in the US, it's in the UK. I'm suggesting deleting it from the “ending this year” section. Do not move the show to 2009 in British television, because it is already in the “ending this year” section on that page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.66.81 (talk) 14:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I removed them. You could have done it yourself though, this page isn't protected. TomCat4680 (talk) 16:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Another mistake found
I found another mistake. For the event when The Simpsons season 20 episode "In the Name of the Grandfather" broadcast in the UK, it should also be on 2009 in British television. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.66.81 (talk) 12:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

VH1 cancels two reality shows
I Love Money should be in the "ending this year" section, making the ending date May 10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.66.81 (talk) 12:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Change "View source" to "Edit this page"
I'm serious. I'm suggesting changing "view source" to "edit this page" because many people may want to add events, seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.66.81 (talk) 19:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Create an account, and you'll be all set. --Captain Infinity (talk) 19:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * With an account (and a few days of editing) you'll be able to edit the page. It has been temporarily semi-protected because of too many instances where IPs (or more to the point, one editor behind a changing IP) have been adding unsourced or factually incorrect information, including series that have long since been out of production and hoaxes involving General Hospital. --Ckatz chat spy  21:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

KEWLopolis to Cookie Jar TV
There's an event I'd like added.


 * Done. TomCat4680 (talk) 02:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Estrella TV
Estrella TV is launching on September 14. --68.37.66.81 (talk) 01:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. TomCat4680 (talk) 02:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Would somebody put Estrella TV before The Jay Leno Show? Estrella TV will launch before The Jay Leno Show. --68.37.66.81 (talk) 14:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Should Class of the Titans and Being Ian be added to the "Scheduled debuts" section
Class of the Titans and Being Ian will debut in the US on September 19 on qubo but they been airing in Canada since 2005. So should Class of the Titans and Being Ian be added to the "Scheduled debuts" section? Powergate92  Talk  06:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that it would be a good idea. NewYorkCity101 (talk) 11:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Why do you think its not a good idea? Powergate92   Talk  20:25, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Changes in network affiliation
Please remove Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? from changes in network affiliation. Like Deal or No Deal, the syndication version of the show is a new, different version of the show and is not the same show. Also why is this article locked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by W3w3eee (talk • contribs) 19:38, 18 September 2009

Done Welcome and thanks for the contribution. The article was semiprotected because of "IP repeatedly changing page with problem edits, IP changes frequently". The protection ends next week. Celestra (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Mistakes
There are a lot of mistakes on this page that need to be fixed. --NewYorkCity101 (talk) 19:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Like what? TomCat4680 (talk) 19:56, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you discuss this on my talk page in a section titled "2009 in American television"? The section may be too long. --NewYorkCity101 (talk) 20:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't do that. Discuss them here.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 20:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and you're certainly not anywhere near an administrator so you can't protect the page. I have removed the template.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 20:53, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The page has been protected for a month and the protecting admin was Ckatz I believe. TomCat4680 (talk) 21:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing is seen in the protection log at all though for this page; the main article was protected until Friday.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

What he added was a request for someone to edit the page because he can't since he's too new to edit protected pages (10 edits are required to do so). He's not impersonating an admin if that's what you think. TomCat4680 (talk) 22:13, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They have made the requisite ten edits though so there should be no issue on their end about adding the edits themselves. However they're also connected to the IP 68.37.66.81 above (which was blocked for two weeks because of previous edits) and was encouraged to get a screenname and keeps going on about how some of their poor edits were BenH's fault since the IP was associated with BenH. They also think we're soon going to unblock BenH when clearly we aren't ever going to entertain that possibility.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What doe's NewYorkCity101 being connected to 68.37.66.81 have to do with improving the article as it says at the top of this page "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the 2009 in American television article." Also he has to have an account for more then 4 days before he can edit this article, see WP:User access levels for info. Powergate92   Talk  03:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Sinclair Broadcast Group
Did Sinclair Broadcast Group really file for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy? Someone deleted the event. TuesdayTV (talk) 12:49, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Disney XD
Toon Disney was not the only channel rebranded as Disney XD, Jetix was also rebranded as Disney XD. NewYorkCity101 (talk) 11:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Jetix was a program block and not a cable channel. TomCat4680 (talk) 18:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Formatting
When you edit the tables make sure not to screw up the formatting. TomCat4680 (talk) 01:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

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