Talk:2010 Africa Cup of Nations

Ahmed Hassan did not score an own goal
Like FIFA said the ball was going in whether it touched Ahmed Hassan's head or not, therefore it showed it as a goal for Cameroon not Egypt! Please remove the own goal Ahmed Hassan was believed to have scored! K4L —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.117.42.82 (talk) 09:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Tiebreakers
How can away goals be a tiebreaker in a neutral-site tournament? 173.61.133.203 (talk) 17:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This would only screw Angola lol --Ceezmad (talk) 05:11, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Gun attack on the Togolese National Team
Occording to the Bloomberg news service, the team's bus driver and an assistant coach are dead after the attack in the Angolan enclave of Cabinda. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-09/togo-pulls-out-of-africa-cup-after-attack-on-team-bus-in-angola.html http://www.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/football/01/09/angola.african.nations.cup.togo/index.html - Gwopy 17:37, 9 January 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwopy (talk • contribs)

Logo
The logo which are present if infobox it's not official logo. Please upload the correct logo. TouLouse (talk) 13:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Togo games forfeited?
The article currently shows Togo's games as 'walkovers' which would imply that victories have been given to the three opposing teams. Is this correct? It would seem more likely that this group will just become a group of three teams instead of four. 80.176.88.21 (talk) 18:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Please make the necessary correction to the Group with Nigeria and Egypt. Egypt is not the group leader because if they are defeated by Benin and Nigeria wins by a margin of 5 goals, Nigeria becomes the leaders of the group. Moreover, Nigeria does not automatically qualify if they do not lose to Mozambique (i.e. if they get a draw). If this happens Nigeria would be left with 4 points but if Benin defeats Egypt with a two - goal margin, Nigeria automatically loses out on goal difference despite having 4 points. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.222.70.105 (talk) 13:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You should probably check the rules of the competition. If EGY and NGA end equal on 6 pts then THE RESULT OF THEIR MATCH will determine who wins the group. That is, Egypt will.  Goal difference is not important at that point.  This information is actually on the page. Jlsa (talk) 13:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Jlsa. The ruless are spelt out on the page. The group with Algeria and Mali has proven your point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.222.70.105 (talk) 17:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Duplication
This talk page was duplicated at Talk:2010 African Cup of Nations. The following three sections are from that page. Ucucha 10:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Already moved, nothing to do here. Ucucha 10:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

2010 African Cup of Nations → 2010 Africa Cup of Nations — This article should be moved to the correct official name of the tournament: 2010 Africa Cup of Nations — Gabinho (talk) 00:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
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Togo's team bus got shot


2 wounded maybe one dead, should wait for more precise & accurate information from RS but it's clear that Togo first match will be delayed (it is scheduled in 2 days). --KrebMarkt 17:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Togo Team Bus Shot/Robbery Attempt - More Info
4 players and 2 team doctors injured, some seriously injured, more info to follow.

Adebayor is fine, but apparently the bus driver was killed in the attack.

Linkspam
If anyone's interested: The links to highlights-sharing/discussions websites fall afoul of several ELNOs. At least one of the two websites being spammed are in violation of ELNO #4, #10, #11, and probably #13, and - because of the inherent copyright issues - WP:YOUTUBE. Since the user who has been spamming is on a dynamic IP...MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist (pending) and MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist (listed locally, pending globally). Apparently these links have also been spammed on the equivalent articles of fr.wp, pt.wp, and ar.wp. Xenon54 / talk / 01:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Reports
Please, whoever posted the initial game reports, keep up the good work. If it helps, here's a compliment: they're much better than the meshuggah 2009 CONCACAF reports. Jack Carter was probably in charge of Togolese security. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tapered (talk • contribs) 04:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Scenarios
Why include the scenarios for Group B but no other groups??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.67.117 (talk) 00:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think scenarios should be included at all. Until they have been published by a reliable source, they are entirely original research. – PeeJay 00:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * They are very standard across pages. It's not complicated to work out (and, I have found, the list of scenarios on these pages is more likely to be correct than any you find published in a "reliable source" who regularly put things like "definitely qualified" when they mean "will only miss out by a miracle").  It's basically one step further than updating the group tables BEFORE they appear on the FIFA site.  To we have to wait until FIFA (or whoever) gets around to updating their tables before we can update ours?  To the first question, they are only shown for Group B because that is where they are most relevant (although some points could already be made for other groups). Jlsa (talk) 00:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

ivory coast is hot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.89.246 (talk) 15:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Scores for Group C wrong
The score table for Group C is wrong, egypt won 2 games and mozamabique drew 1 and lost 1!!! FIX IT!!! NOW!!!! K4L —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killaz4life (talk • contribs) 20:58, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Although you are correct, I strongly encourage you to rethink the tone of future talk page posts. No one likes being commanded. Xenon54 / talk / 21:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Well when anyone googles african cup, wikipedia is one the first results that appear! I believe showing wrong facts angers people! My tone was to get attention to my post to the editor of the page! since it was the the only way to reach the editor! So excuse me for the tone on the post! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killaz4life (talk • contribs) 23:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You definitely didn't need to use that sort of tone in your original message, mate. People would have responded if you had just left a civil message instead of a hostile one. – PeeJay 23:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Tie-break for Group D is WRONG !PLEASE FIX NOW!
Tie-break between Gabon and Cameroon can never come down to the disciplinary record as Gabon has beat Cameroon in their match. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.80.221.34 (talk) 19:38, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Sadly, you are again wrong. If it is CMR 0 - TUN 0 and ZAM 3 - GAB 2 then CMR, GAB and ZAM will end on 4 pts.  Using the tiebreakers for the THREE teams, they are equal on 1 (3 pts each). Equal on 2 (0 GD). Equal on 3 (3 goals each on HTH results).  Equal on 4 (0 gd in all matches) On 5 ZAM wins (4 goals overall) but CMR and GAB are still equal.  As there is no "go back if you separate one team of three" provision in the rules we need to go to criteria 6 - Fairplay.  So it is needed. Jlsa (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, you have just gotta be kidding me
Fantastic. CAF decide to "defuse" the situation over who advances to the quarter finals by reiterating the tie-breakers they will use. (See here). But, they copy the wrong section of the regulations (Article 14 covers the preliminary competition, but Article 72, which is different, covers the final tournament). These rules do not have a "fair-play" component. So, if we do get the 3-2 and 0-0 combination in Group D then we can have the fun of CAF having to decide who goes through, and under which version of the rules. (Note, this is also to note that this CAF release is probably wrong - so don't update the page based solely on this information). Jlsa (talk) 04:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow. You would expect an organisation of professionals to, oh, I don't know...check over what they're posting?! Of course now - because of Finagle's corollary to Murphy's law - the magic scenario will end up happening and CAF will have proverbial egg all over their faces. Fun! Xenon54 / talk / 21:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Persistent vandalism
The user with IP 99.227.48.221 is persistently vandalising the page by adding Canada, Brazil, Juventus, etc. as participants in the quarter-finals. I see he/she has been banned previously for disruptive editing of Toronto FC pages. 92.11.148.118 (talk) 18:39, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Zambia confirmed by hosts as group winner Group D
Through Eurosport (TV). Now PLEASE stop editing Cameroon and Gabon(!) as quarter finalists.Athox (talk) 18:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also confirmed through the official CAF website. Group standings: 1. Zambia 2. Cameroon. Quarter Finals: Egypt vs. Cameroon, Zambia vs. Nigeria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.177.85 (talk) 18:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The tie-break criteria is super confusing, supersport has Cameroon leading the group, whereas Soccernet has Cameroon in second place. The official site hasn't yet updated the scores. Wapondaponda (talk) 19:45, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Soccernet agree with the article; Zambia and Cameroon advance. Of course CAF hasn't bothered to update their website yet, some four (?) hours after the games were over. They haven't been very professional in these last few days, have they? Xenon54 / talk / 20:53, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Give them a break, man. They're very busy organising the world's second-largest confederational football tournament :-P – PeeJay 20:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand, but there's basic responsibilities that come with running such a high-profile tournament, such as keeping the core parts of your website up-to-date. I shouldn't have to consult outside sources to get basic information (for example: group standings), and there shouldn't be any conflicting reports as to who advances, as there seemed to be earlier today. I guess the issues have largely resolved themselves. Xenon54 / talk / 21:09, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Attendance figures
Just wondering what is the source being used for these attendance figures? I was using ESPN Soccernet but I found out that isn't reliable from the Ghana-Angola match, the match report describes it as a 'near 50,000 crowd' while the attendance figure listed is only 22,000. Pizza Pops (talk) 19:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Ahmed Hassan vs Emana
I watched the entire game and it is not counted as an own-goal, it's counted as Emana's. Ahmed Hassan touched it but didn't divert its direction so its Emana's Hobapotter (talk) 18:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, it's fixed, thanks Hobapotter (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Some help please
Will some experienced editor keep an eye on this article. An Algerian partisan tried to include the card count on the page in contravention of the format since the article began. I attempted to ask for temporary full protection, but couldn't figure out the subtleties of the format. If the card nonsense keeps up, could some experienced person get the article temporarily locked. Thanks. Tapered (talk) 22:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

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