Talk:2010 North Indian Ocean cyclone season/Archive 1

Cyclone
As far as i know the IMD haven't reported that there was a cyclone hitting India/Bangladesh this week. The thing that hit India/Bangledesh was a norwester which is a type of dercho.Jason Rees (talk) 12:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Get ready!
Get ready for an "unusual landfall" with what I think will soon be ARB 01 (93A.INVEST). I think this is interesting! Synthetical connections ( talk ) 02:27, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Record
With cyclonic storm Bandu transiting the gulf of Aden(briefly), should this be mentioned as the 2nd time this happened on record, after a storm in 1984?98.206.70.2 (talk) 23:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Except it isn't correct 2008 Yemen cyclone is a good example of a TC in the Gulf of Aden.Jason Rees (talk) 00:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

95B Info
Have you got any other information about 95B? Both JTWC and IMD do not report anything in their websites. I think its just a low pressure area. We shall wait till it becomes a depression.Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 14:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (EC) We havent got any more info at the minute then whats on the NRL site and yeah we will wait and see if it becomes a depression before adding it to the article.Jason Rees (talk) 19:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I moved this to the bottom of the article. In the future, please add messages at the bottom of the article. Thanks --  Yue ' of the ' North  18:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 95B INVEST is gone...i thought it will intensify, but the clouds got scatteredTatiraju.rishabh (talk) 18:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Season Summary map
Full path of Phet needs to be updated in summary map. --Remukhan (talk) 16:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Lets get this straight
There has been no depressions in the North Indian Ocean since Phet. I say this as after checking every TWO and cyclone bulletin issued by the IMD, i found out that they hadnt reported one. Also if we did the JTWC did not monitor it.Jason Rees (talk) 04:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, Its the South-west monsoon season. Very Low or no cyclones will form. We have to wait till end of july or mid-August. Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 17:33, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * A low pressure has formed. Have a look in the IMD Website 117.195.32.156 (talk) 06:06, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Merge Suggestion
I Hope you guys understand this, I would like to present my ideas on merging the page and the associated talk page to 2009 North Indian Ocean cyclone season and moving it to 2009-10 North Indian Ocean Cyclone Season. hope you will like it.

Reason:- Less Storms, more pages will make more data for Wikipedia, less pages are an advantage! Anirudh Emani (talk) 08:38, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Although I get what you're trying to do, I'm going to have to oppose this suggestion. The articles are designed to be for a single season (except for the older ones which have little info). Merging two seasons would defeat the purpose of splitting them off in the first place. Also, it keeps things simple, some people might be confused since they're used to the years not changing in the middle of the article. Cheers, Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:09, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Its a decent idea but i agree with CB all the benefits of having the seasons separate would be lost.Jason Rees (talk) 14:42, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to agree, the reason we have the 2009-10 Southern hemisphere cyclone season is because their summer is during the Northern hemisphere winter and therefore actually does occur over two years while North Indian ocean does not. --  Yue ' of the ' North  16:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose, as per WP:NOR. --Matthiasb (talk) 11:53, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Final Situation - I Agree your oppositions, Thank You, Anirudh Emani (talk) 14:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

SSHS
due to wrong calculation of category in SSHS, lets use the PCf basin instead of the NIO. Anirudh Emani (talk) 12:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? By the way, there's no point as all basins use the same calculations for the SSHS.--  Yue ' of the ' North  23:28, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What enearth is the PCF basin?Jason Rees (talk) 23:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The SSHS has one calculation for all storms in the world. the NIO basin is not following it properly. so use pcf, or no basin.

for example: look at the difference, allthough the speeds are same, the category has a wide range of difference, the PCf basin gives the correct count of category as per as the SSHS page. Anirudh Emani (talk) 10:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * One problem... for the NIO; the 90 mph is the 3-minute IMD winds; outside of the Atlantic and East Pacific; we use the RSMC measurement. In the NIO;the IMD uses 3-minute winds instead of 1-minute winds.--  Yue ' of the ' North  14:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Trust us Anikingos the windspeeds in this article are correct and the infobox is correctly computing the SSHS scale.Jason Rees (talk) 14:11, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, now i understood, i put the same wind speed on the i-min section and it proved to be correct. im really sorry.Anirudh Emani (talk) 14:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

INVEST Numbering Sequence
What is the logic of using number 94 for 94B.INVEST before using 93 which has subsequently been used for 93A.INVEST? As per above 94B.INVEST first appeared 2010-10-01, 1730z @ 12.8ºN 96.4ºE before 93A.INVEST which appeared 2010-10-02, 0030z @ 8.8ºN 65.9ºE--59.96.146.186 (talk) 03:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * oops I had forgotten to sign the above post--Ugaap (talk) 03:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that NRL backload photos after naming the system, so the first photo time does not indicate when the system "first appeared". There isn't any indication of this unless you actually monitor the NRL site every 1/2 hour and see when it reallly does appear. The first position fix is for 2010-10-02 0000z so I have used this above - it's the same as for 93A.--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 08:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, this is what i feel, i might be wrong. the INVEST numbering logic is in the decreasing order. probably they will put 100A.INVEST or 100B.INVEST when the first low pressure area forms, as the season goes on, they keep numbering the systems in a decreasing order until it reaches 0, well that never happens. Just a few days ago a low pressure area formed in the Arabian sea and it was numbered 94A.INVEST now it has dissipated and another one has formed in the Arabian Sea, so it is numbered 93A.INVEST, in the Bay of Bengal another low pressure area had formed so it is numbered 94B.INVEST, the next one will be 93B.INVEST. Hope you understood, but i may be wrong.--Anirudh Emani (talk) 09:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The numbering starts from 90 and goes up to 99. The last INVEST in Arabian Sea was 92A.INVEST. Also only one sequence is maintained for whole of North Indian Ocean viz. Arabian Sea as well as Bay of Bengal. The time for 94B is before 93A so it does not gel.--Ugaap (talk) 11:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keith I get your point. Originally the time for 94B was earlier than 93A but subsequently since you have changed it so now both times are the same for 93A as well as 94B so now the numbering stands correct.--Ugaap (talk) 11:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, i told you that i might be wrong, and i turned out to be wrong!--Anirudh Emani (talk) 12:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

BOB-2
as i have seen in the JTWC best track, the system actually hit Srikakulam coast before raging into Paradip. Anirudh Emani (talk) 05:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Clear the Mess
Someone has done a lot of mess in the wiki page. Please clear all those or revert the changes. Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 16:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC) ?Jason Rees (talk) 16:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Now looks better 117.195.40.115 (talk) 05:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, someone has tried to destroy the page. i suspect it is a sockpuppet, because such an intelligent vandalism is difficult to find. Anirudh Emani (talk) 05:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Its RSMC
Regional Specialised Meteorological Centre New Delhi ( RSMC ) is the Cyclone Monitoring authority for the North Indian Ocean region. At present IMD as well as RSMC is being used interchangeably. I think we should adhere to using RSMC.--Ugaap (talk) 12:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Trust me, Regional Specialised Meteorological Centre New Delhi ( RSMC ) is nothing else but India Meteorological Department (IMD) --Anirudh Emani (talk) 04:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * We all know that, but what Ugaap means it that we should either use RSMC or IMD and stop interchanging, so much. Personally i would agree with using RSMC New Delhi over IMD as IMO it sounds and reads better.Jason Rees (talk) 15:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Giri now Very Severe Cyclonic Storm
Cyclone Giri has intensified into a Very Severe cyclonic Storm. For your reference, I have cited the information in WebCite.

http://www.webcitation.org/5tfA7y85s Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 06:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah and it is now stronger than phet. --Anirudh Emani (talk) 10:26, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Pray that it does not turn as destructive as Cyclone Nargis. Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 15:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have been doing that thought i dont believe in god. When i knew that it is stronger than nargis, sall my hopes went to hell. --117.198.156.179 (talk) 15:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please remember that this page is not a forum, it is for discussing ways to improve the article and to note any concerns about its contents. Thanks, Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:52, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

99W
Just for reference purposes, the Thai Meterological department has called 99W (pre BOB 05) as a depression.Jason Rees (talk) 20:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Although IMD is mentioning 99W as a Depression(subsequently weakened to a Low Pressure), they have not numbered it as BOB 05--Ugaap (talk) 16:58, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that it is in the RSMC New Delhi control area but the IMD is not responsible for posting warnings. Wait till the system comes into the Bay of Bengal, as it is still in the Andaman Sea. Rishabh Tatiraju 12:29, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Andaman Sea is part of North Indian Ocean. IMD New Delhi is the RSMC for this basin.--Ugaap (talk) 13:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * According to what i know, the IMD doesn't number the systems beyond 92°E. They also don't issue any speicial Bulletins. Only the All India Weather report will be having data about these systems. -- Anirudh Emani Say something  15:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Im sure they will be issuing their full range of bulletins and will number it once it concentrates into a depression, within the Andaman sea.Jason Rees (talk) 15:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Once the system concentrates into a depression the IMD will be issuing bulletins. The IMD has area of responsibility begin near 100E near Thailand according to the WMO. -- グリフオーザー (talk) 20:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Question
Is this the record season with 3 Very Severe Cyclonic Storms (Phet, Giri and Jal) and 1 Severe Cyclonic Storm (Laila)? I haven't heard of so many numbers in the North Indian Ocean. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 16:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesnt look like it per the IMD records.Jason Rees (talk) 19:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

2000 - 2009 Average exceeded
i have examined the 2010 season with the average of the past decade and found out that this season is very much above average.

Hope my research brings all to the knowledge of this record-- Anirudh Emani Say something  16:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Compared to the last decade then maybe we are AA but compared to the IMD average of about 15 we are well below average.Jason Rees (talk) 18:18, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Should we mention in the main page that this is the strongest season in 10 years?? -- Anirudh Emani Say something  05:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice idea by Anirudh Emani, must be mentioned in the main page. And also a News article must be put on Cyclone Jal after the death toll goes high. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 10:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless you can provide a source that directly cites this information, it's best not to use it. Also, it is highly misleading. Cyclones have been recorded in this basin for centuries and comparing a specific season to only a brief period of this doesn't give an accurate representation of its activity. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Um unless im very mistaken this is not the strongest season for TC's unless we are talking about NS.Jason Rees (talk) 23:28, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I meant strongest season in the NIO over the past 10 years. --Anirudh Emani (talk) 11:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Officially it might be, but those of us who have been following this basin for a few years now, know that IMD has only recently improved its TC measuring capabilities because in the past, several systems which had clearly reached the status of TC were simply just overlooked by IMD and declared as only Deep Depressions or Depressions. So in reality we don't know if its the really the strongest season over the past 10 years. IMO it would be better we don't make such general sweeping statements since we know that in reality (and unofficially) they might not be true. Badkhan (talk) 08:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Timeline of Recent events
for the timeline, i made a sandbox. I wish everyone gets involved in the creation of the timeline for this season and help me finish it as soon as possible. -- Anirudh Emani Say Something 07:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much Jason. -- Anirudh Emani Say Something 09:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No Probs.Jason Rees (talk) 14:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)