Talk:2010 Northern Hemisphere heat waves

Drowning fatalities
Drowning fatalities and heat wave fatalities are not the same thing. Stop adding them. DVoit 21:01, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd recommend removing the fatalities section altogether. These numbers haven't yet been compiled into RS-level totals. Same for harvest loss estimates. Wait until it's over (there will be a winter... really... will it not?). Collecting news pieces one by one, even when referenced, makes no sense: there's no guarantee that the selection is complete, that each bit of the news has been correctly evaluated and presented, etc... East of Borschov 11:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

ICE reports
The sections with reports about overheating ICE should be redone. It looks like the guy from the rescue squad said, that 9 people died in the train and that is wrong. It should be also saying, that the air conditioning systems fail to cool over 32°C/86,6°F and that the Deutsche Bahn pays 500 Euro for the victims without a doctors attest. SkySilver (talk) 16:27, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

China
I'm Googleing up a Chinese forist fier and will add it tomorrow. About 30 are dead in Central China and 5 are dead in Manchuria so far!--Its snowing in East Asia (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

A bunch of original research
That article is a bunch of original research. Where are the reliable sources linking several heat records, La Nina, El Nino and other typical summer events? --Matthiasb (talk) 20:20, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Very poorly written article, with non-matching sections, spelling mistakes and unverified claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.45.27 (talk) 20:36, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

There is new July weather analysis, that shows even more extreme anomalies in Russia: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/get-file.php?report=global&file=map-blended-mntp&year=2010&month=7&ext=gif. Someone with wiki-skills might add it. 77.38.44.85 (talk) 19:16, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Although I agree that the article is poorly written, it does not constitute original research. Many heat waves hit the northern hemisphere in 2010, including in North America, parts of Europe, Russia, southern China, the Indian Subcontinent, parts of Southeast Asia, Greenland, the Middle East, and some areas in North Africa, so it was all merged into one article. I'll work on improving the article soon, but there do exist references linking ENSO to the recent heat wave events (including this link) that I'll add later. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:49, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

UK heatwave
Over the last couple of days, details of the apparently official UK heatwave have been deleted from the article.

I can see why some of it was deleted, but the following 2 points are, I feel, justified under normal guidelines:


 * "The UK declared a heat wave, set at Met Office Level 2/4, on 9 July 2010 for South East England and East Anglia. This was after temperatures reached 31.0 degrees Celsius in London and night-time temperatures leveled around 21 degrees Celsius."
 * By all means add, but if the UK did in fact declare a heatwave, so be it.


 * The UK recorded its highest temperature of the year, 31.7 degrees C, in Gravesend, Kent, as the British Health Protection Agency gave out health advice and claimed there had supposedly been "several hundred" more deaths than normal over the past two weeks and some appeared to be linked to the heat on the 11th.
 * This seems to be supported by an independent national newspaper. Why is it not a reliable source?
 * I've taken the liberty of reinstating these specific sentences above.
 * Trafford09 (talk) 22:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * In the scheme of things compared to other parts of the northern hemisphere it is not notable as it lasted only one week and temperatures were barley in to the low 30's Celsius. The "heatwave" also only covered England and then only a small portion of England so calling a "UK heatwave" is wrong as Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland were unaffected. If it is wholly essential to include information regarding the UK the it should be in a section on other areas effected and not given its own highly prominent section, for what was in reality only a few days of slightly warmer temperatures.--Lucy-marie (talk) 09:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Temperatures in the UK are seldom notable, in comparison with other parts of the Northern hemisphere.
 * However, it is very rare to get temperatures in the 30s in the UK, so the UK's Met Office definition of a (UK) ' heatwave' I agree wouldn't be regarded as such elsewhere. But for it to be declared an albeit localised heatwave, would show that the weather was abnormal for S.E. England. I think the display of just 2 small paragraphs (as it now is) means that the sub-subsection (actually it's only an ====, not a == Section) no longer claims undue prominence. Readers are able to judge for themselves whether they agree with the Met Office's UK definition of heatwave. I would imagine the Met Office wouldn't use the words 'slightly warmer temperatures' to describe them, in terms of UK averages.
 * Nevertheless, I take your point that the text refers to just 2 parts of England, not UK-wide. I'll change the header to reflect that, on the assumption that this is ok with others. Trafford09 (talk) 19:19, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I went further, & made the sentences not even a subsection, but appended them instead to the 'Europe in general' - much as you were suggesting I think. Trafford09 (talk) 19:30, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Portugal Deaths
These numbers 1500 deaths are inaccurate, the DN article says that the heat may have caused an increase in mortality but also says that it cannot exclusively associate these figures to the heat alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martins (talk • contribs) 23:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

That's the technical problem with "indirect deaths".--82.11.110.86 (talk) 19:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

About Japan
Major Japanese cities are highest level temperatures during July 15 to presents, and part of point are highest record temperture since 1868. According to Japan Metological Agency confirmed report, major Japanese cities of average temperature is highest level in August 2010, and Fukuoka, Kyushu, Fukuyama, Hiroshima, Hirakata, Osaka, Hiroshima, Kyoto, Okayama, Osaka and Takamatsu, Shikoku are above of Celsius 30 degrees average of temperature in August this year. And above of minimum temperature in Celsius 25 degrees day is 50 days in Tokyo, 49 days in Osaka, 48 days in Takamatsu, 47 days in Fukuoka, Hiroshima and Nagoya, 43 days in Kanazawa, 40 days in Yonago and 38 days in Niigata, during same period. Following above of Celsius 35 degrees high temperature day is 37 days in Kumagaya, Saitama, 33 days in Kyoto and Isesaki, Gunma, 31 days in Tokai, Aichi, 29 days in Tottori, Kofu, Yamanashi and Nishiwaki, Hyogo, 25 days in Osaka and 24 days in Hiroshima, during same period. And scored to death of hyperthermia around area, from July to present. That's the technical problem with "weather event in 2010".--M Ohta (talk)12:37, 7 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.23.5.48 (talk)

Add In 2010, Japan has had the hottest summer in its record. + refs
Add "In 2010, Japan has had the hottest summer in its record. "  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.54.140.47 (talk) 03:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Hansen
Well, I'm baffled as to why the Hansen quote is considered irrelevant. It seems bleedin' obvious to me. The Moscow part was by far the most publicised part of this summers heat wave, and that is what Hansen is talking about. And the source is titled "How Warm Was This Summer?" How much of a clue do you need? William M. Connolley (talk) 20:07, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not putting complete explanation in the edit summary :) I think Hansen's quotation is not irrelevant per se, but maybe more inappropriate here. We shouldn't put the complete quotation in the introduction of the article. Also, it's better not to leave the reader to interpret the quote. I believe we'd rather include something like 'some scientists argue, that .... ' instead of the quotation. It would be even better, if it could be integrated in the current text without much changes as there's an article discussing the same question already.1exec1 (talk) 20:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * "Some scientists argue..." is classic WP:WEASEL so I'd rather not say that. And I'm familair with GWC, which isn't a good article; losing the text into there isn't good. We don't have a section on "attribution"; perhaps we should have (which is why I put the text where I did; it immeadiately follows the only similar stuff). Though at the moment only the WMO and Hansens stuff stand out for inclusion. More importantly, I think the Hansen quote actually tells you something quite useful, both about the event itself and about how people talk about it William M. Connolley (talk) 20:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as I understand WP:WEASEL does not recommend us to use that "Some scientists argue..." as long as that sentence is without clear attribution. What I am suggesting is to rephrase Hansen's quote into more easily understandable form and integrate it into the previous paragraph. Something like " <...>although still no specific weather events can be linked directly to climate warming.[4] However, some scientists argue, that  [reference pointing to Hansen's quote]". I'd rather keep this one since for most people Some scientists say is clearer than Hansen says as 99.9% of them do not know who he is. 1exec1 (talk) 20:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

From Wikinews, add NASA GISS data shows that global temperatures in 2010 were tied with 2005 for the warmest year on record. (GISS)

 * NASA GISS data shows that global temperatures in 2010 were tied with 2005 for the warmest year on record. (GISS Research News) (The Associated Press) (PR Newswire) ?  99.190.88.188 (talk) 03:28, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I would have added this to the overview section. Why was this necessary section removed? ~ A H  1 (TCU) 16:37, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move
It just looks like the article is documenting that it's warm and/or hot in summer, so I've renamed it, removing the phrase "heat wave" off the title, which simplifies the article title per MoS anyhow. I don't think it's possible for the whole Northern Hemisphere to have a singular heat wave from one meteorological source, without some kind of cataclysm, like the Earth hurtling towards the sun or an asteroid/comet impact. Heat waves normally impact a thousand square mile area, not an entire hemisphere. --Thegreatdr (talk) 18:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Repository of news stories
This entire article is filled with paraphrased news stories, going so far as to just list temperatures for certain places and who died where and how old they were. Thus, it reads heavily like a weather report. This is evident in the insane amount of redundant statements throughout the article. I even found one paragraph in the China section that was just a complete paraphrase of the entire article's contents; every single detail from it made it onto Wikipedia.

This stuff needs to be refactored badly. I am working on removing redundancies and excessive detail. &mdash;Onore Baka Sama(speak 20:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Dead link
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 * http://www.euronews.net/2010/07/02/heatwave-hits-Europe/
 * In Global storm activity of mid 2010 on 2011-03-22 07:44:46, 404 Not Found
 * In 2010 Northern Hemisphere summer on 2011-06-18 15:18:16, 404 Not Found

--JeffGBot (talk) 15:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Is there a "2011 Northern Hemisphere summer" wp article?
Is there a "2011 Northern Hemisphere summer" wp article? 64.27.194.74 (talk) 21:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC) No current 2011 Northern Hemisphere summer. 64.27.194.74 (talk) 20:23, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not that I have found. Post the link here, if you do find something similar, please.  99.119.128.87 (talk) 02:20, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Add Moscow heat wave context reference PNAS James Hansen et al.
Suggest better location or wording? 108.195.136.231 (talk) 05:25, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

GOCEreviewed
The article desperately needs updating. It is still reporting weather forecasts for what was expected to happen "next week", rather than what did happen. See also the Repository of news stories section above. --Stfg (talk) 14:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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The heat waves had caused around 17,905,000 deaths globally...
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 * The heat waves had caused around 17,905,000 deaths globally, with 3,000+ direct, 17,821,672+ indirect, and 21+ unconfirmed deaths, through factors including famines and heat strokes

from the lede. I can see no source for this, and the faux precision is intrinsically unbelievable William M. Connolley (talk) 10:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Note: there used to be a "fatalities" section, but it was very poor William M. Connolley (talk) 10:29, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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Connected to onset of Arab Spring
Add this to article; See also Effects_of_global_warming NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:22, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No convincing source as far as I know Chidgk1 (talk) 18:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)