Talk:2010 Summer Youth Olympics/Archive 1

Page Title
I think this page should be named "2010 Youth Summer Olympics" to mesh better with the other Games. (This is the only page that doesn't list the season, and that includes "Games"). I'm not sure how to do that, and what type of a domino effect would it have? Your thoughts? --Cbradshaw (talk) 18:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I moved title to "2010 Youth Summer Olympics" since there was no response. Cheers--Cbradshaw (talk) 21:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

CBD Image
I readded the image, as a picture of Singapore is very relevant on this page. When we are closer to the Games, or if some Singapore Wikipedians are able, it would be great to add pictures of the event/city. But for now, I think this is good. Cheers--Cbradshaw (talk) 04:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Qualifying
Shouldnt there be something on how you qualify —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.16.181 (talk) 19:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The international federations are left with this responsibility. They are supposed to hold qualification events in 2009 and maybe even as late as 2010. Apart from the quota places that are gained via qualification events and subseqent NOC decision, there are a few host country places, and a larger number of universality places, the amount of which differs from sport to sport. Alexander 20th Dec 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.159.238.11 (talk) 19:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

redirect?
should Singapore Olympics redirect here? 70.55.203.112 (talk) 13:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * that's a good idea. Thanks!-Cbradshaw (talk) 14:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

hello
Áhiho

O.K... --66.170.192.5 (talk) 17:58, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Games of the I Youth Olympiad
There is no such thing as "Games of the I Youth Olympiad ". Please provide a reference other wise this is original research. Hektor (talk) 07:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The modern Olympic cycle starts with the Athens Games in 1896. We are now in the XXIX Olympiad. The YOG of 2010 and 2012 will take place during this XXIX Olympiad. Hektor (talk) 10:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But the recent Winter Olympics was the "XXI Olympic Winter Games", where the current Paralympics are "X Paralympic Winter Games". I would agree that "I" is logical. --  Zanimum (talk) 13:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Sports
Please someone make an article about Fencing at the YOG 2010! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.170.192.5 (talk) 00:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Usually, this sort of article doesn't get created until things are close to the actual event. Other than the days when competition will happen, and where, there's not much to talk about yet. --  Zanimum (talk) 13:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Singapore-area contributors? 2010 Youth Summer Olympics
Hello: If you are in the Singapore area, I am hoping to get some people accredited as reporters, for the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics. Visit Wikinews' project area to submit your name, and be considered for our official bid. -- Zanimum (留言) 2010年3月22日 (一) 14:55 (UTC)

Sport pictograms
It's right there, under you're very nose! At singapore2010.sg!

High-quality pictograms here... It seems that some logos are different than the ones on the official Singapore 2010 Summer Youth Olympics site, such as the one for Aquatics. --Fpmfpm (talk) 01:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, just to point out that the ones at the YOG site should be the updated ones. The WhyOhGee site is just a microsite for youths set up by SYOGOC for the YOG. Chunchuan (talk) 13:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Participating Nations
Where does this list come from? Not only the list seems particulary short, but if it was listing only confirmed countries doesn't seem to provide the source. The official site mentions "205 Olympics committees" http://www.singapore2010.sg/public/sg2010/en/en_about_us/en_youth_olympics_games.html

Wikihonduras (talk) 12:45, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Chinese squad size
This edit set the size of squad as 70 athletes, as taken from this source.

The edit was reverted - sadly without wp:Edit Summary. It's unclear why it was reverted, so I've reinstated it. Please comment here if you will. Trafford09 (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That edit was made by a sockpuppet of serial sockpuppeteer, Polylepsis who is also, and who have been editing this page. For cross-wiki abuse, see User talk:Elockid.  E lockid   ( Talk ) 13:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Inaccuracy
I want to point out that the dates for certain events in the event calendar are inaccurate.

For example badminton(the event that I have volunteered for) should start on 15 August.

I'm not sure if this is the correct way to give feedback. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Genixp (talk • contribs) 13:31, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Answered on on Genixp's talk page. Yes, thank you. I'll follow up on this error shortly. Trafford09 (talk) 07:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I've for now only added the 3 tags at top of article, to alert the page-watching editors.
 * I don't know where the latest event schedules can found, so I'll leave it to those in the know.
 * Please delete the 3 flags (& on badminton) when revised schedules are found & used to replace those in the article.
 * Thanks, Trafford09 (talk) 16:12, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I see from this edit that an editor has removed the for badminton,
 * offering http://internationalbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=11244 as the reason.
 * I take it that the badminton calendar is &/or was ok, then? Trafford09 (talk) 22:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Timing Template
I have added the current sports event template already, since preliminaries have already started for football. Optakeover (Talk)   10:26, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Bhutan squad
Bhutan has only one person representing them but I can't find out who it is? Does any one have information about the Bhutanese athlete beacuse I can't even find a name In the local news of Bhutan about the person. Spongie555 (talk) 07:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I created the article: Bhutan at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics - Cheers, GreenB.live (talk) 05:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Vietnam in the medal table
When did Vietnam gain a bronze medal? I can't find any information about this.113.166.176.44 (talk) 11:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have updated the article: Vietnam at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics - Cheers, GreenB.live (talk) 11:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Nonsense
Is there any '2010 Winter Youth Olympics'? MachoCarioca (talk) 17:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No. They'll be 2012. See Youth Olympic Games.  David Biddulph (talk) 18:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

"Iranian withdrawal from taekwondo final"
Didn't something similar to this happen at an Olympics a few years ago? Dustman15 (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * yeah, It happenned many times, 2008 Olympics (Swimming), 2008 Paralympics (Wheelchair basketball), 2004 Olympics (Judo) and many other examples. --Mohsen1248 (talk) 10:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Accounting for Mixed NOC sports medals

 * Note Discussion continued at Talk:2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal table. Click here for quick access to the discussion section of the article. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 14:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Concerns and controversies?
As with other Olympic Games, concerns and controversies over the 2010 Youth Olympics should be included if they exist. I'm jotting what I've heard so far: If you've heard of any, please do discuss here. Let's have a better coverage of the Games for this article. Best, A NG C HENRUI Talk ♨  10:20, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) That the Singaporean government has been accused by citizens of over-promoting the games in the country - excessive usage of posters
 * 2) Idea of a YOG itself is questionable - teens are already participating in the senior Olympics


 * I totally agree . If there are controversies, then they should be mentioned from a neutral point of view. For instance, the wiki page for the 2008 Summer Olympics also includes a section for controversies and concerns. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Summer_Olympics#Concerns_and_controversies)


 * Regarding the 2nd point about the necessity of the YOG, that point should belong to the main YOG article rather than specifically the 2010 YOG article Zhanzhao (talk) 07:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The Temasek Review (http://www.temasekreview.com/category/yog/) provides a lot of YOG articles from another point of view. There are a number popular controversial topics. One, complaints by Polytechnic students on the inconvenience caused by providing accommodation the YOG people in their campus. Then, the fact that local students are being forced to "volunteer" for the games. Volunteering might involve helping out at the games, but can simply involve cheering for the torch relay, or showing up at games as enthusiastic spectators. Then, those "volunteers" are given meals that had been compared to dog food, while YOG officials and athletes are provided with a three-meal buffet everyday. There have also been reports that most tickets were in fact purchased by the Singapore government, and not bought by individuals. And that is just to name a few possible controversies.


 * I think that there should be a section on the page dedicated to controversies. If that is agreeable, then validation of the information will be needed. Please discuss. Icy-snowflake (talk) 11:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, if there is enough information to write about, a section is highly desirable. In fact, most of the other Olympic Games articles have a separate article on "Concerns and controversies of the XXX Olympics". Of course, the most important thing here is NPOV, I do agree. We will be doing a huge disservice to everyone if we provide false statements. Regards, A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 13:36, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * May wish to refer to the second last paragraph of this article: "Critics have derided the newly created event as little more than a summer camp and it has come under fire for a lack of support from local Singaporeans." And maybe this, about "subdued fan enthusiasm". Just for your consideration. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 15:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I would hold off using the Temasek Review as a RS. Their content differs from typical acceptable news sources used as RS in that unlike other news sites, they do not identify the writer of the articles (hence removing accountability), plus their articles are written in an NPOV style, rather than just writing in a straightforward and unbiased news writing style. Google itself identifies it as a blog (when searched under its "news" tab). If the content being reported by Temasek Review is valid, there should be other mentions of it in other publications/sites (considering that the foreign media are in Singapore to cover the event as well) which do pass Wikipedia's NPOV and RS test.Zhanzhao (talk) 07:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Food poisoning
http://sg.yfittopostblog.com/2010/08/18/nea-moh-probe-food-poisoning-at-yog/ There was a case of food poisoning to the YOG volunteers on 15 August. And in the earlier week, there was an online uproar over the quality of meals served to volunteers. Just some information. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 09:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems pretty marginal to me. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 10:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Small section? Can add the previous case of small food portion to form a "food issue"? Xaiver0510 (talk) 01:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Both of the incidents still seem very trivial to me, unless there is more in the media about them. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 11:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Source is a blog though. Please use a RS that is acceptable under wiki policies. Should be some report of this in other media.Zhanzhao (talk) 07:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to note for the source given, footnote is 'Coverage of Singapore’s inaugural Youth Olympic Games is brought to you by students from Republic Polytechnic’s Diploma in Communication and Information Design (DCID), in conjunction with Yahoo! South-east Asia.' The article is similar to what you can expect of the papers in Singapore and since it is conjunction with yahoo, the source should be acceptable. Just my thoughts. Xaiver0510 (talk) 01:47, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If that is the case, it'd be better if the original Yahoo news source is used instead. It should be stated on the yahoo news article on Yahoo somewhere since the footnote says it as such. I'm trying to avoid a case of a Republic Poly student posting a comment to a YOG article on Yahoo (I've seen editors attempt to use comments to articles as RS), which makes the source unacceptable, even though technically it is on yahoo. Zhanzhao (talk) 03:28, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Attendance
Okay, I have jumped the gun on the school's attendance for YOG event but feel free to edit or remove if not notable enough. Also, acceptable to add the poor attendance but sold out tickets for some events? [http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_568256.html] Xaiver0510 (talk) 01:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if its notable enough, why not! A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 09:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment If you are inclined to feel there are already enough "concerns and controversies", do go ahead and create an article on Concerns and controversies over the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics (red-linked as you can see for now). You can refer to Concerns and controversies over the 2008 Summer Olympics. All other Games articles have such a branched out article. It's my sentiments at this point in time, and I look forward to other opinions! A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 09:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I noted the same thing as you but I think we can wait till the YOG is over first to see how the article fleshed out or unless we do have so much Concerns and controversies that we need to branch out immediately Xaiver0510 (talk) 01:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Sports Gender identifier - why Boy/Girl instead of Youth Men's and Youth Women's
The YOG 2010 sports result pages have adopted a format of calling the Male participants "Boys" and Female participants "Girls". In doing so, they have made a very bad grammatical use of apostrophes as well. In some countries, the use of "Boys" and "Girls" for teenagers/adolescents can be viewed as both derogatory and negative.

The official site uses the identifier of "Youth Men's" and "Youth Women's". For the medalist table, I have used the generic "Men's" and "Women's" in the absence of any guidance or consensus for Youth sports.

As I am a new editor, could I have some advice/opinion on how I should proceed in editing when I see the use of "Boys" and "Girls"? GreenB.live (talk) 02:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * We should adopt the terminology used by the official YOG website. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 06:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If the official organisation uses a certain set of terminology, then we would do well to follow them provided there are no issues (encyclopedic or otherwise) with it. In this case, it's "Youth Men's" and "Youth Women's"? I see no issue with it, so I guess it's good :) A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 10:12, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * [Edit conflict] Unfortunately, it appears there is no consistency of usage among sports. Thus, the terms boys and girls are used for basketball, but men and women for gymnastics. I don't know whether this is simply due to an oversight on the part of the SYOGOC, or whether the terminology varies depending on the sport. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 06:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have quickly extracted the title/identifiers used by each respective sport from the sports schedule on the official site. As mentioned, it is 'all over the shop'; each sport has it's unique classification. I have never heard people use Mens' or Womens', so can't quite understand why some people think the use of Boys' and Girls' is okay. It's just plain wrong English. Bearing in mind, people are already creating pages with Boys'/Girls' and category boxes that are "Boys" and "Girls" despite the 'schedule' saying it's "Youth Men's" or "Men's", should we change this and use what the official schedule says or not? Either way, I have no issue updating the pages to reflect what is meant to be on wiki, I just don't want people editing pages back and forth according to the way they think it should be... GreenB.live (talk) 11:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand your thoughts on the correctness of the English for Boys' and Girls'. Belonging to boys would be boys'; belonging to girls would be girls'. What's wrong with that? But I agree that we should go with the terminology on the official site. David Biddulph (talk) 11:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we all generally agree that the best way to avoid disputes is to go with the terminology used by the official website, even though the usage varies according to the sport. GreenB.live, like David I'm not sure why you think Boys and Girls is incorrect. These are simply the possessive forms of Boys and Girls. Thus, it is grammatically correct to write the girls' team (meaning "the team belonging to the girls") and the women's competition. The apostrophe appears after the S in girls because the plural form of girl is girls which already ends with an S, and it is not conventional to write girls's. On the other hand, the plural of woman is women which does not end with an S, so it is conventional to write the possessive form as women's. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 11:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You are right, it is the possessive form. Men's Basketball if equivalent would be Boys' Basketball... In my region of the world, it has become generally accepted that the apostrophe be omitted in most cases of this occurrence. Apologies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenB.live (talk • contribs) 11:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Is the current classification system (different identifiers for different sports) being used now? A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 07:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I have been using it in the article. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 08:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I mean being applied across all the sports/event articles? A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 09:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it makes sense to maintain consistency across all 2010 Summer Youth Olympics articles. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 10:28, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Consistency = same gender identifiers throughout all the sports? Or using the official terms by sport. I'm also asking - has it already been applied? A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 11:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant that we should stick to the gender identifiers set out in the above table consistently across all 2010 Summer Youth Olympics articles. There seems to be a specific reason why different terminology has been adopted for different sports. I have no idea whether the various articles have been using this terminology. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 14:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh I was just asking if they were using these terminology; it's alright. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 14:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

List of 2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal winners
Someone might want to start a list of the 2010 Youth Olynmpics medal winners? You guys might also want to look at this for reference. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 14:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, the article can be created. Of course, in my opinion less effort will be required if this is done only after the Games has completed. But please do start the article if you are confident that quality will not be compromised. Cheers, A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 14:35, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced it's necessary, given how few of the medal winners actually have Wikipedia articles at the moment. Strange Passerby (talk) 05:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not absolutely necessary yep. Good to have though. Admittedly, not many of the medallists have their own articles, still the article will serve as a good listing of these people. I'm not overly concerned about this though. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 14:20, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Russian medals
Could anybody check the number of medals of Russia? Should it be changed to 20 G, 17 S and 12 B? 210.94.41.89 (talk) 11:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about medals won by members of mixed-NOC teams, they don't count for each individual nation. (And please remember in future that the convention on talk pages is that new topics are added at the bottom of the page, not the top.  I have moved this.  If you add something at the top, it may well not get read.)  David Biddulph (talk) 12:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

YOG event article up for deletion
Just a notification that apparently, Canoeing at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Girls' K1 slalom‎ is up for deletion here. Please do express your opinions, either way, at the deletion discussion. Perhaps a wider discussion on YOG events should also be held, either here, at Talk:Youth Olympic Games, or at WP:OLYMPICS. Strange Passerby (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Numbering
I really feel that "3,531 athletes" is much easier/faster to read at a glance than "Three thousand, five hundred and thirty-one athletes". Perhaps we can rewrite "A total of 3,531 athletes" or something similar. 218.186.8.248 (talk) 22:54, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Strange Passerby (talk) 00:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Age controversy section
This section is about Bolivian footballers. What the Singapore swimming council president 's view is is irrelevant and imo should be removed. Strange Passerby (talk) 09:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem, go ahead and remove it. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 10:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)