Talk:2011–12 La Liga

Promoted teams
Did Real Betis and Rayo Valecano confirm promotion yet?--88.170.207.94 (talk) 16:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, they didn't; please see also 2010–11 Segunda División. However, both teams will of course be added as soon as they are mathematically guaranteed of promotion. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 16:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Real Betis
Why is it called Betis not Real Betis? I know that many teams have "Real" before their names such as Mallorca, Zarragoza and others but Betis is known by Real Betis, isn't it? -- mo -- (Talk | #info | ) 10:45, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * In Spain is also known as Betis Akai Goth (talk) 11:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Strike and delayed start to season
Should a section be added regarding the player strike and the delayed opening of the season? -Gordeenko (talk) 08:12, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If there is enough material which could be used to write a full prose paragraph or two, sure, go ahead. If included, the section should be titled "Season events" and be inserted between the "Teams" and "League table" sections, similar to the 2011–12 Liga I or 2011–12 Russian Premier League articles. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 08:42, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Positions by round
The round 1 is going to be played when the 20, and this one between the 36th and 37th. For this section, are you going to respect the number of the rounds or would it be better to change the number rounds to make a table with chronological order?

Gonzaka (talk) 11:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Whatever the source attached to the table uses should be applied here, along with a written note. But that being said: You have just identified one of the main arguments why these tables should not be used in articles at all, as they are not capable of dealing with any postponements of matches whatsoever. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 12:14, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Attendance
The attendance is COMPLETELY wrong : for Barcelona - Villa Real the attendance was 75.000 and not 95.000 and even the average attendance of the Liga isn't 31.000 but 28.000 or 29.000 !!!!! 151.75.65.179 (talk) 18:10, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Tiebreakers
How come Athletic Bilbao and Espanyol are seperated in the table by head to head whilst Betis and Villarreal for example are not, (Villarreal lead the h-t-h between those two, yet Betis are below them)? (talk) 19:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Positions by round
Since the Clasico is not played yet, we should not put the positions by round basing on what "might" happen then. As of present., only 6 games are required for league leaders to clinch the title. We do not speculate the future and put the results influencing the games not related. If anyone disagrees, please point it out here and not reverting the article.HasperHunter (talk) 20:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC) Please explain any changes here.HasperHunter (talk) 12:07, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Brief La Liga explanation
Greetings. I just want to briefly explain to you why the "positions by round" is as it is. I understand that non-Spanish editors find the rules slightly confusing as it is the only league that I know of that uses the "head-to-head" rule. First of all, the head-to-head rule is only used if both teams have played each other twice (There is no away goals rule here. If a team won 1-0 and then lost 2-1, we need to go to the goal difference for both teams. Mallorca and Real Sociedad have played each other twice but they both won their home match by 1 goal (1-0 and 2-1), therefore if these two teams have the same amount of points, we need to look at their overall goal-difference. Real Madrid and Barcelona are both 6 points away from each other. They have not played each other twice yet. If Real Madrid loses next week and Barcelona wins, Real Madrid would still be 1st by a 3 point difference. However, if Real Madrid loses the week after that too and Barcelona win again, they will draw as far as points is concerned. If this happens, we would need to go to their overall goal difference because both teams would not have played each other twice yet. If Barcelona's goal difference is higher than Real Madrid's goal difference, Barcelona could go in 1st position in two weeks. Therefore, we only know for sure that Real Madrid will be 1st next week and that Barcelona will be 2nd next week.

I just want editors to answer this question. Imagine that the following results happen in the next two weeks:
 * Real Madrid 0-2 Valencia
 * Zaragoza 0-4 Barcelona


 * Atl. Madrid 2-0 Real Madrid
 * Barcelona 3-0 Getafe

Who would go in first position in two weeks if these results occur? Exactly, Barcelona. Therefore we only know that Real Madrid will be first next week. I've been editing La Liga articles for 5 seasons now. Active editors will know :) If you have any doubts now or in the future, please do not hesitate in contacting me in my talk page. I hope this brief explanation helped all of you. Thank you and keep up the good work! ;) Qampunen (talk) 09:23, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Your predictions are as naive as one would come from a barcelona fan. I would say the reverse of these scores and say "barca players humiliated, they give guard of honor to madrid twice in 4 players"... these are too much of future speculations. wikipedia is not about future speculations. we judge on the present. and i already know how much you know. predicting 2 st losses for madrid and 2 st wins for barcelona proves that you are an avid barcelona fan, nothing else! HasperHunter (talk) 12:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * HasperHunter, don't get personal here. Aside from that, while it is highly unlikely that Real Madrid will lose their next two matches, it is not completely impossible either. As Wikipedia should not try to predict any scores, it can only be said that RM will stay in first place for at least one more week, not two; this is verified by using a combination of maths and the rules of the competition. I have thus reverted your edits.--Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 12:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok. I'll ask one last question. Is it 100% sure that Real Madrid is going to be in first position on two weeks time? It's not. Therefore we can not say that Real Madrid will be first in two weeks time. It does not mean that I'm a Barça fan. If you really want to know I'm an avid Málaga CF fan ;) Qampunen (talk) 13:41, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I will ask you a question. Is it 100% sure that Real Madrid is not going to be in 1st position in two weeks time? Is it 100% sure Barca will win all games and Madrid will lose two? Your points are no more than you own point of view. You are speculating too much future.Please explain your points above where I started the talk. i will not respond here anymore.HasperHunter (talk) 22:51, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

The only person who is speculating here is you. The only reason Real Madrid should not be put in first position in two weeks is that it is not 100% sure that this is going to happen. The only thing that is 100% sure is that they are going to be first next week. That's why we do it. There is no speculation here whatsoever :) Qampunen (talk) 23:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Bilbao Europa league
Bilbao has at least place in Europa League group stage as Copa del Rey finalist (as Barcelona is at least 2nd 100% surely). Should it be marked in league table? Kahkonen (talk) 08:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking in doing so too. However, I think that depending on whether Bilbao wins or not the Copa del Rey, they will play and early or a later round in the Europa League. Is this true? I know that the winner of the Copa del Rey will qualify to the group stage. However, if Athletic Bilbao loses the final, do they also qualify to the group stage? Qampunen (talk) 09:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

– HonorTheKing (talk) 09:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * They can still finish in CL spot. for the question, if they win the Copa they will enter the GS, if they lose they will enter at least in the third round, if they win the Europa League this season they will enter the GS no matter what the Copa score was.

You're right. I didn't event think they could still finish in the Champions League. That's another reason we should not put Ahtletic Bilbao as playing the Europa League just yet. Good job, HonorTheKing. I couldn't explain it better myself! :) Qampunen (talk) 09:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * How about: "Secured EL group stage" or something like that? Or footnote "Secured EL group stage, possibilities to CL group stage or CL play-off round"? Kahkonen (talk) 11:16, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I have added a footnote to the table; feel free to change the wording if it is not appropriate enough. :-) --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 16:24, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Very good. Kahkonen (talk) 22:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

7th placed team to qualify?
I would want to know if the 7th placed team will be qualifed to Europa League if Atletico Madrid finish 5th or 6th. Schnapper (talk) 16:48, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * In short, no. See also 2012–13 UEFA Europa League for details. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 16:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * No, but if Athletic Bilbao wins Copa del Rey and finish 6th, then 7th team will qualify. See: 2012-13 UEFA Europa League ("Title Holder: If Title Holder Atlético Madrid qualifies for...") and #Redistribution rules ("When the domestic cup winners also qualify for the Europa League..."). Kahkonen (talk) 16:59, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks. But if Athletic Bilbao finish 6th, won't the 7th placed team qualify even if they lose the cup (as Barcelona will play in the CL and the 6th place is a qualifying one)? Schnapper (talk) 19:46, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

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