Talk:2011-2012 Syrian civil war

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because... We need a central page for military action. This is a side page to uprising, a different one --ChronicalUsual (talk)


 * Nowhere else on Wikipedia would a "war" article be considered a "side page". What's more, all of this information is either already in 2011-2012 Syrian uprising or could easily be added to it. What is your silver line between the uprising and the "war"? If the uprising is already referred to as a conflict in the lede of that page, why is this article necessary? Is it a separate conflict? Are the actors in it different? Who is a casualty of the uprising and who is a casualty of the "war"? Which reliable sources are making that distinction? -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * There are the protests and there are the military action, that was the reason of the failed move. We need a central page for military actions and moving this page on the uprising page would completely overload it. Useless.--ChronicalUsual (talk) 16:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, just because there isn't consensus for a move isn't a good reason to create an unnecessary fork. Almost all of this information is already on the other page. What isn't there is because parts of the page aren't properly up-to-date; they could have been easily added without taking up much space. The uprising page is already about a situation that has taken on the characteristics of an armed struggle. This is a redundant article. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:08, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

This page needs to be deleted. How can you have a tag on 2011–2012 Syrian uprising asking about changing the title of the page to the Syrian civil war, when someone just decides on their own to create the page. That's just not how Wikipedia works. You need to have a discussion on the proper page which is the 2011–2012 Syrian uprising page and get consensus on forking the article. --Guest2625 (talk) 17:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I vote keeping the page because the number of deaths and the renewed fighting is a new event. --Aginsijib (talk) 18:14, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * How is the fighting renewed? It's been ongoing since last March according to the Syrian government, and since at least summer according to the Syrian opposition. Full-scale fighting in the streets of major cities has been ongoing for months. It's escalated steadily, not in fits and starts. This is the same conflict that started last spring. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:38, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Fighting is much bigger now with two sides fighting battles. This is a different evolution of the crisis.--Aginsijib (talk) 20:47, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Since when? When did the battles start? Are the sides in the "war" different than the two sides in the uprising? -Kudzu1 (talk) 21:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

One- the title of this page has bad grammer. It needs to be Syrian Civil War not "Syria Civil War". Two- You don't just write on the talk page of 2011-2012 Syrian Uprising saying "Instead I create Syria Civil War". There has to be consensus on the talk page to split. ChronicalUsual as i've heard has been banned before. Jacob102699 (talk) 02:17, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I vote to keep this page. People are about evenly split on if this is an uprising vs a civil war. We have two camps that can't reach consensus. Eventually onless a miracle happens, the civil war and uprising page will be merged, under the civil war page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.193.112.245 (talk) 21:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)