Talk:2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship

Merge 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championships into 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship
I think that 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championships should merge into 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship. They are duplicate articles, and this article at 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship is the better one.

70.24.251.158 (talk) 12:42, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support a merge to whichever is the correct event name (the difference is only an S). We don't need two articles on the same thing. Melicans (talk, contributions) 16:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Speedy Merge and Move to 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championships The reason why the 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championships page was created is because that was the Officail name for the event per Indycar.com and was Red Linked on many pages so the creator of that page assumed it was not created already not realizing the article was in the wrong spot. I therefore sugguest a merge and move done as speedy as possible due to the nature of the Current Event. 166.205.136.85 (talk) 17:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete it. I made that page without realising that one already existed. My mistake. I've removed most of the content from that page and already worked it into this one. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 20:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge this article into the plural title per Melicans. The TV broadcast schedule on indycar.com confirms that the official title uses the plural. jcgoble3 (talk) 20:56, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge, but leave page as it is: the IndyCar.com site is obviously in error because the broadcast and official race logo refer to it in the singular.--ChrisP2K5 (talk) 00:12, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Since all info in the plural article has been merged to here, this article is in far superior shape, and there is no opposition above to the basic idea of a merge, I have WP:BOLDly redirected that title to this article so we don't have duplicate articles. This is not an endorsement of the singular title (in fact, I have !voted for the plural above), so discussion on which title to place the article at can continue. jcgoble3 (talk) 03:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment There seems to be some confusion as to who hit whom, and where every was in relation to each other on the track. This youtube video breaks the whole thing down: /watch?v=Vl0PiqB-U3I Kerrywsmyth (talk) 22:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Lifting the throttle?
The article says: "Wheldon was still traveling at race speed when the accident happened and did not lift off the throttle, running over E. J. Viso's car (though Paul Tracy believed that Wheldon had hit him)." However, some Youtube videos of the crash (for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVu7iTf59SQ) clearly suggest that Wheldon did lift the throttle at least partly since his cars engine revolutions is heard falling just before the view is switched off his incar camera. 88.112.58.50 (talk) 20:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * YouTube is not an RS, and all the other sources claim Wheldon was traveling at a high rate of speed. Ergo, he would not have lifted off the throttle. --ChrisP2K5 (talk) 00:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * YouTube wouldn't be the source. The ABC telecast would be the source. However, it is inconclusive, and only the car's blackbox data (which has not been released yet) will be the definitive source. Just saying that he was "traveling fast" has no bearing on whether he lifted or not. The statement as written has no basis in proof yet. Doctorindy (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, since we're not likely to get a definitive source for a while, I've removed the claim altogether. We can always re-add it if a reliable source surfaces. jcgoble3 (talk) 23:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I wasn't watching the race and I haven't researched it, but there's also a chance that Wheldon could have panicked and failed to take his foot off of the throttle. I know from personal experience that this is possible.--SmokeAkin14 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:20, 19 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Personal experience? So you're a professional IndyCar driver? Or at least a professional race car driver with high bank oval experience? Staying in the throttle is actually a crash avoidance technique. If you're on the bottom and the cars are crashing into the outside wall in a turn, the law of gravity indicates that due to the banking the crashed cars will slide down the track aka through your path. So if you're on the bottom you want to stay in the throttle and avoid the wreck by driving through while the crashed cars are still in the outside wall and haven't slid down yet. Regardless, we don't have the definitive source yet which will be the telemetry data.  N419 BH  06:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Never said I was a professional driver and I know about the technique. I was merely stating that he might've panicked and as a result his foot froze on the throttle, but then again, like you just said, we don't really know. We'll have to wait for the explanation to arise. Maybe there was some form of mechanical failure.--SmokeAkin14 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC).

Viso and Wheldon both tried to avoid the trouble by staying very very low – that worked until Meira got sideways and collected Kimball and Viso. Wheldon now had absolutely nowhere to go (you can't move further below the white line at this speed because the car pushes). The time between JR crashing into Cunningham and Meiras car starting to whiggle – this leaves absolutly no room for controled reactions. About the 5 salut laps: The car of Alex Tagliani is missing there as he also drove for Sam Schmidt (in fact Alex drove the William Rast car that day!). The 19th car is James Jakes, his car was only slightly damaged by collecting debris. --TheK (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image
Hello. Would it be better to change the current image of the track to this over head view? --  Nascar 1996 ( Talk • Contribs ) 00:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably not. All other IndyCar race articles from the past three seasons have either a diagram of the track (most common), the race logo, or no image at all. Not one race report since 2009 (and quite possibly before that as well) has a photo in the infobox. Therefore, I'd lean towards leaving the current diagram in there for consistency with other articles. Now, if you want to replace all of the diagrams with photos, that's a different discussion that I'd have to seriously consider. I'd suggest taking that to WP:AOWR, but that project seems to be inactive (they still list 2010 as the current season), so WP:MOTOR might be a better place to have that discussion if you want to. jcgoble3 (talk) 00:59, 23 November 2011 (UTC)