Talk:2011 Pacific hurricane season

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Changes
It's the start of the hurricane season, we've changed all places where it said "Season Not Started" to "Season Still Active". &quot;Nova Scotia&#39;s biggest train person&quot; (talk) 12:03, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

2010 activity
Should it be mentioned that there is a tie for record lowest number of storms with 1977 from last year in the activity box? I at the least think we should put the † symbol in the activity box since there is a tie for record highest hurricanes and record lowest NS's and MH's. Rye998 (talk) 20:30, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I put it back in (it got removed by mistake). YE Tropical  Cyclone  22:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm really not a fan of this one. There was clearly a record low number of storms in the Eastern Pacific proper last year but Omeka (a Central Pacific storm) is hiding that on Wikipedia due to our merging of the two basins. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not in objection to including Omeka, because we don't exclude TCWC Jakarta and Port Moroesby from Australia's storms, and we also don't exclude their numbers from the overall list of storms in those basins. Rye998 (talk) 15:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep the tie as the CPAC is not a basin. Last year we agreed to divide articles by basins, not AOR lines. YE Pacific  Hurricane  17:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Striking my previous comment...EPac is technically out to the dateline but due to the CPHC, it's split within the basin. Basically, what YE said is correct, it should be included. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:37, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

article
Who wrote the article? Altarboy420 (talk) 22:16, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 12gorge1 did. YE Tropical  Cyclone  23:00, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Adrian Article
Is an article needed so far for Hurricane Adrian? 99.95.11.224 (talk) 02:09, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Probrably not. It hasn't had any effects on land, and it likely won't overall. If it does, by some miracle, turn and hit Mexico, then it would be warranting of one, but we don't need to really argue about making one here. Rye998 (talk) 15:11, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe, due to its high intensity, but stop debating on wheather it should be made. Be bold and write it. YE Tropical  Cyclone  15:10, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ...But keep in mind that the unofficial rule-of-thumb for creating hurricane articles, as stated on this talk page section, is that is should have at least caused warnings or watches to be posted. So don't be surprised if someone AFDs it. TheAustinMan (talk) 22:40, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "At least". And IIRC, MX did issue a TS Watch.  Darren 23 Edits 22:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As long as non-NHC sources can be found, I am ok with it. YE Pacific  Hurricane  22:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

File for Adrian needs renaming?
The title of the file for Hurricane Adrian is "Hurricane Adrian 2011-09-09 1800Z.jpg". The date used in the title implies September 9, 2011, does it not?  Kinaro (say hello)''' (what's been done) 18:25, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does. I placed a request for the file to be moved to "Hurricane Adrian 2011-06-09 1800Z.jpg" on its Commons page. Cheers,  Little Mountain  5   18:41, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * by DerBorg. Thanks!  Little Mountain  5   20:38, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Adrian
Is it unusual for a category 4 (Adrian) to be the first storm of the season? 99.60.49.225 (talk) 06:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It has happened before. Hurricane Adolph (2001) was a Category 4 hurricane. Hurricane Adolph (1995) was also a Category 4 hurricane. If you think about it in a first storm major hurricane standpoint, (Adrian '11), Alma '02, Adolph '01, Adolph '95, Ekeka '92, Agatha '80, Annette '76 and Ava '73 are the only ones 1971-Present (Satellite era). So if you consider 1 first storm every 5.5 years unusual, then it is.  Darren 23 Edits 06:27, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:FORUM. Please take all discussion to Hurricane Wiki. Thank you. YE Pacific  Hurricane  17:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Picture
The main hurricane trace summary picture is not displaying properly but can't figure out how to sort it out without uploading a new picture. It is currently only showing 2 traces but should be 3 (soon to be 4). When you click on the picture it shows a large version of the correct image, 3 traces (http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8651/1231112.png) but on the main article page it only shows 2 (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4294/123111.png)
 * Yes, that happens to me alot. In fact, at the moment, I can only view what your describing and only part of Hurricane Calvin's track (up to the first dot indicating that it became a hurricane). I am not sure though how to solve that problem; it just ends up not displaying correctly until like two weeks after it is created/editted. That is also one reason why I don't really upload the 5 day track images (which one time resulted in many images that were exactly the same).--12george1 (talk) 02:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a known Wikimedia-wide issue. See Bug 28613. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 02:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, actually now it is displaying correctly for me--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The same is happening to the track of Hurricane Calvin. I don't understand. When you click the image, it shows the whole track, but in the infobox, it is not the same. --Ryder 06:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, this is a known Wikimedia-wide issue, and there is nothing that we (meaning anyone who is not a sysadmin) can do about it. See Bug 28613. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 22:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Heads up
The NHC Google Earth BT has wrongly put Dora as a Category 5 hurricane. This is because of that conversion error thing for storms with an intensity of 135kts. Dora is still 135kt Category 4 hurricane.  Darren 23 Edits 16:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Dora's Sandbox
I have a sandbox made for Hurricane Dora. The sandbox is ready for placement as a real Wikipedia page. I based it off of Hurricane Danielle (2010) since they both shared similar characteristics as semi-fish storms (hurricanes that stayed off to sea but still affected land somewhat) and category 4 hurricanes. I would like someone to "approve" this sandbox before I go ahead and "publish" it. TheAustinMan (talk) 22:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It needs some minor fixes to be published, specifically forecaster names and some Spanish sources.YE Pacific  Hurricane  23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I'll do those things when I can. TheAustinMan (talk) 23:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Wording needs to be fixed, I wouldn't publish this yet. At least, not until I can go over it and fix the errors that I see. TropicalAnalystwx13 ( talk )
 * Neither one of those comments would actually preclude the sandbox from being published; they can always be fixed while the article is in mainspace. Feel free to publish whenever you feel comfortable doing so. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 01:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ill probably copyedit it after it gets published, which is kinda what TA13 said. YE <font color="#66666">Pacific  <font color="#66666">Hurricane  02:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I moved it. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Harvey Crossover
Harvey crossed into the pacific maintaining depression strength. 1 --Anirudh Emani (talk) 12:37, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not until the NHC says so. And in whatever case, it's still in the Atlantic/BOC side of Mexico.  Darren 23 Edits 13:59, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Very odd, but it is most likely an error IMO. YE <font color="#66666">Pacific  <font color="#66666">Hurricane  14:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Adrian sandbox
Anyone who is interested in completing Adrian's sandbox will be welcomed to do so at here. Anyone who knows how to actually write an article and is not a 12 year/old troll is automatically valid to participate in this event. This event is available for a limited time only.
 * Not sure if warranted? Usually EPAC storms only have articles if they impacted land. But all land-impacting storms warrant articles. CrazyC83 (talk) 23:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, not really warranted, IMO. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:04, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Adrian does not /need/ an article, but it /can/ get one if it is high-quality. It /did/ do a couple inches of rain to MX.YE <font color="#66666">Pacific  <font color="#66666">Hurricane
 * Random rainshowers can do three inches of rain to a part of Mexico. Does that deserve an article? Absolutely not.  Darren 23 Edits 04:03, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What harm will an article do, Darren? WP is not paper. YE <font color="#66666">Pacific  <font color="#66666">Hurricane  04:08, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "Other than verifiability and the other points presented on this page, there is no practical limit to the number of topics Wikipedia can cover, or the total amount of content. However, there is an important distinction between what can be done, and what should be done, which is covered in the Content section below. Consequently, this policy is not a free pass for inclusion: articles must abide by the appropriate content policies, particularly those covered in the five pillars." 2 inches of rain is definitely not notable enough, no matter which way you look at it.  Darren 23 Edits 04:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I dissagree, but I don't want to start a big debate. I posted HS's sandbox content in the main article for now (I had to condense it though :. Can the season article handle Adrian's section.YE  <font color="#66666">Pacific  <font color="#66666">Hurricane  14:03, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I am still assuming good faith here, but did you just add stuff which could easily be condensed just to disrupt and prove a point?  Darren 23 Edits 18:35, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hec no. I added it since HS's sandbox was well written and comprehensive and the season section. The section length is comparable to this. And even, then I don't think my edit is disruptive. I suggest that discusion should be archived as it is becoming somewhat piontless.YE <font color="#66666">Pacific  <font color="#66666">Hurricane

J before I?
Why is Tropical Storm Jova before Hurricane Irwin? Surely I goes before J in the alphabet? Rory <sup style="color:green;">Come for talkies  09:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Jova formed as a tropical depression before Irwin. We put storms in order of their tropical depression number. &mdash; <font style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:15px;"> Ines (talk)  15:06, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this is the first time that's ever happened. — stay ( sic ) ! 09:31, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, it happens from time to time. It's nothing special. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 12:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Hurricane IRWIN
Irwin has been active for quite some time now and i wonder if its track is notable in any way. The storm has literally come back to where it first started. Also, its intensity, it has weakened and again strengthened back to a tropical storm (twice?). If this is notable, i guess the storm section needs updating. Thank you. --Anirudh Emani (talk) 13:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Be bold and do it yourself. YE <font color="#66666">Pacific  <font color="#66666">Hurricane  14:06, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Hurricane Kenneth
Stop debating on whether an article should be made. Thank you. YE <font color="#66666">Pacific  <font color="#66666">Hurricane  00:06, 23 November 2011 (UTC) Since Kenneth is the new record holder for the strongest hurricane in November, people should make an article for it. 70.127.233.228 (talk) 16:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily; WP:N is the major factor here. So far, Kenneth has caused no impact at all yet.  HurricaneFan 25  16:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I do believe Kenneth is notable enough. Cyclonebiskit has started a sandbox here. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Mrah, I meant to have that hidden until later since I couldn't work on as much as I want to at school. :( Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

CPAC
<tt>Central North Pacific (140W to 180, North of the Equator) Overview Quiet 2011 Hurricane Season in the Central North Pacific There was only one tropical cyclone in the central North Pacific during the 2011 hurricane season. Tropical Storm Fernanda formed in the eastern North Pacific on 15 August and crossed 140W into the central North Pacific on August. Tropical Storm Fernanda reached a peak intensity of 55 knots. Fernanda rapidly weakened 19-20 August after encountering increasing shear and cooler sea surface temperatures. There were no impacts to any islands. RSMC Honolulu issued the last advisory on Fernanda at 0300 UTC on 20 August. La Niña conditions did not favor development of any other tropical systems either locally within the central North Pacific basin or in the northeast Pacific and then moving into the central North Pacific. La Niña conditions are typically not favorable for tropical cyclones to occur in the central North Pacific in contrast to the typically more active hurricane seasons associated with El Niño conditions. However, there were 8 tropical cyclones in the basin during the La Niña of 1985. There were other years with one tropical cyclone in the central North Pacific during the satellite era (which began in 1965). These years with only one system included 1965, 1995, 2008, and 2010.</tt>

The above was taken from the 2012 NOAA report to the Typhoon committee and i thought it would be worth noting it here So that someone can condense it and shove it into the seasonal summary section.Jason Rees (talk) 02:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link to source it from? Thank you. YE <font color="#66666">Pacific  <font color="#66666">Hurricane  23:34, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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