Talk:2011 Thai general election

page move?
instead of moving it back and forth (and im not moving it again), i think we should wait and see if the election are affirmed to be put off because the FM said it could still be held.Lihaas (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * "Next Thai general election" is a horribly unencyclopedic title, and doesn't follow Naming conventions. Therefore, I moved it back to a policy complaint title. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

File:Yingluck Shinawatra Election poster 2011.png Nominated for Deletion

 * Will this do? http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%9F%E0%B8%A5%E0%B9%8C:Yingrak.jpg

--Pawyilee (talk) 12:00, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Map
I've made a map, but I'm considering creating a better one since we don't have a map per district, at least those excluding Bangkok. If someone has that, and correlates what district number represents what, we can create one. For now the regional map should be OK as much of the north and northeast was swept by the Pheu Thai and the Democrats swept the south; only those in the middle was split. Later I'd either go with the Irish model (each party has its own mini-map) or the Canadian one (each region has a graph). Also, I just guessed the colors of the three minor parties so anyone can change those. – H T  D  18:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Why?
What do you mean by "Why"? How can someone possibly know why stock markets react as they do. To me it's always a miracle. -- RJFF (talk) 18:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * there are reasons markets go up. its not a given or a surprise. Read the articles on bloomberg or elsewhere and there will be reasons.
 * for example, in Peru the markets tanked after Humala's win. the reason was of speculation as to his anti-market agendas. the reason here could be (and im just speculating) because of expected stability with the new government since the last coup.Lihaas (talk) 07:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

NO Party
should reference be made to the NO party that campaigned against anyone voting? I have snapshots of some of their campaign posters depicting animals in suits (dog, tiger, water buffalo, monitor lizard, etc.) with NO in English and a slogan in Thai that translates to: "Don't let animals loose in Parliament." I asked a local if they wanted trees, instead, and was told: "No. Stones!" I also have an election committee handout that lists the 40 with their names, officials, and platforms in Thai, and their rather colorful icons; but of course it doesn't list the NO Party. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, a 'NO party' does not exist, but the PAD ("Yellow Shirts") campaigned to vote None of the above, which is possible by Thai electoral law. As you can see from the results chart on the article, 4,03 % used this option instead of voting for a constituency candidate. If there is no copyright problem and the quality is OK, of course you can upload these pictures and we can write a short section about the 'NO' campaign and amount of NOTA votes. I am sure we can also find a Bangkok Post or Nation article online to verify the facts. Kind regards -- RJFF (talk) 16:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * There you go: Bangkok Post on the Vote No campaign
 * blog entry on the Vote No campaign
 * the poster you meant, right? -- RJFF (talk) 16:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * See also Non-human electoral candidates and None of the above.

These don't yet mention Thailand's incarnations, but the latter has a useful info box linking to most voting practices egregious enough to have English names. Also see Election Commission (Thailand), but it seems only Lebanon has Thailand - Electoral Law. Section 20 reads: 'Electors shall have the qualifications and shall not be under the prohibitions under the Constitution and shall have the duty to vote at an election.' Sections 21-23 spell out the consequences for not voting, providing some context for why simply staying home is not a good option. This is exounded upon by Briton's No candidate. As to just who is duty-bound to vote, that belongs in an article on the constitution, which could be linked from here. I'll see what I can find, but the difficulties in doing so are best explained by the one 'animal' cartoon that puzzled the blogger: 'Well… I am what I am. To admire me as a buffalo. (I’m) really shy.' The Thai really are shy, i.e., embarrassed, by critical looks at their electoral processes. As to pix of the posters, the blogger's are much better than mine; besides which, I'm really sick of Wikimedia busybodies contending mine violate their concepts of copy rites, and would settle for a link to where these may be seen, unmolested. --Pawyilee (talk) 12:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Added to ISSUES. --Pawyilee (talk) 15:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Electors qualifications
It should come as a suprise to many that those who are prohibited from going to the polls include monks, novices, or members of the clergy: Qualifications of Voters and Candidates Contesting in the July 3 General Election (14/06/2011) --Pawyilee (talk) 10:18, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

References mess
The reference section is in a format mess, and I don't know why or how to fix it. Somebody, help!--Pawyilee (talk) 14:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Removed my stray }} and enclosed bare URL's in square braces followed by party initials, but think them unnecessary: one ECT link should do for all. BTW, these links all have party logos: how can we use them? Do we have to write to ETC for permission?--Pawyilee (talk)

Proofread
1(พ.เพื่อไทน) 2(พ.ชาติพีฌนาเพื่อแผ่นดิน) 3(พ.ประชาธืปไตยใหม่) 4(พ.ประชากรไท) 5(พ.รักประเทศไทย) 6(พ.พลังชน) 7(พ.ประชาธรรม) 8(พ.ดำรงไทย) 9(พ.พลังมวลชน) 10(พ.ประชาธิปัตย์) 11(พ.ไทยพอาพียง) 12(พ.รักษ์สันติ) 13(พ.ไทยเป็นสุข) 14(พ.กิจสงคม) 15(พ.ไทยเป็นไท) 16(พ.ภูมิใจไทย) 17(พ.แทนคุณแพ่นดิน) 18(พ.เพื่อฟัาดิน) 19(พ.เครือข่ายชาวนาแห่งประเทศไทย) 20(พ.การเมืองใหม่) 21(พ.ชาติไทยพัฌนา) 22(พ.เสรืนิยม) 23(พ.ชาติสามัคคี) 24(พ.บำรุงเมือง) 25(พ.กสิกรไทย) 26(พ.มาตุภูมิ) 27(พ.ชิวิตที่ดีกว่า) 28(พ.พลังสังคมไทย) 29(พ.เพื่อประชาชนไทย) 30(พ.มหาชน) 31(พ.ประชาชนชาวไทย) 32(พ.รักแพ่นดิน) 33(พ.ประชาสันติ) 34(พ.ความหวังใหม่) 35(พ.อาสานาตุภูมิ) 36(พ.พลังตนกีฬา) 37(พ.พลังชาวนาไทย) 38(พ.ไทยสร้างสรรค์) 39(พ.เพื่อนเกษตรไทย) 40(พ.มหารัฐพัฌนา) --Pawyilee (talk) 13:36, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * 15 พ.ไทยเป็นไท is not Thai Pen Thai, but Thai Pen Tai. "Tai" should not be confused with Tai people unless you know from context that that is what the speaker or writer meant, in a revised anthropological or linguistic sense. According to So Sethatputr's New Model Thai Dictionary, 2543 B.E. edition, ไท means "big (person)" or "boss." I once stayed at the Thai-Tai Hotel in Ayuthaya, and was told by the proprietor that the phrase meant "Us Thai." It would be best we not try to translate it, just get the transliteration write. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:56, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * We have to stick to the official translation of the name, and must not make up our own one. The party itself registered as 'Thais Is Thai Party', which seams to be utterly nonsense to me. Bangkok Post and The Nation use 'Thai Pen Thai Party', that is why I propose to use this transcription. You cannot hear the difference between 'Thai' and 'Tai' anyway, which is maybe meant to be a pun. Regards -- RJFF (talk) 15:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's definitely not a pun, and does make sense in Thai. I think we'd best stick with the party's own transliteration. Even if it isn't good English, it does convey their meaning.--Pawyilee (talk) 16:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I do not agree - for the following reasons: 1. Maybe the party official who filled in the ECT form, just made a mistake because he did not know how to properly fill in the ชื่อภาษาอังกฤษ (name in English) field. We should not make fun of the party by using the wrong translation. 2. Bangkok Post and The Nation, Thailand's English-language newspapers of record use 'Thai Pen Thai' 3. The internet adress is ThaiPenThai.org and not ThaisIsThai.org 4. 'Thai Pen Thai' is the RTGS romanization of 'ไทยเป็นไท' -- RJFF (talk) 17:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm with RJFF on this one. This is the English wiki site and if the English speaking Thai media Bangkok Post and the The Nation are using 'Thai Pen Thai Party', then I think this site should stick to it. My main reason is that I for example could read the Bangkok Post and then read this site and wonder what the hell is going on. Lets keep it simple. If anything, maybe this disucssion should be taken to the article in question and even a small section detailing the use of the parties name is needed? Druryfire (talk) 17:33, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I, too, agree to Thai Pen Thai, though not to its being a pun, or that using their spelling is necessarily making fun of Thanglish, since I don't even trust my own entries, above. Also, I goofed badly when I once tried to create a Wiktionary entry, but it might be helpful for someone more knowledgeable to create an entry for Wiktionary ไืท. My Thai dictionary defines the latter spelling as boss and and the first as free. Frankly, Thai means free in about the same sense that "frank" has in English ((e.g. frank, frankly, franklin)). Meanwhile, the parties' names (1-40) are available above for posting to the article, once someone has proofed them. --Pawyilee (talk) 11:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Issues
Alliances/Angry-Man accidentally wound in in point-counterpoint juxtaposition, but we could do more. 1(พ.เพื่อไทน) platform promises a credit card for every farmer; 16(พ.ภูมิใจไทย) responded with a campaign poster promising an ATM in every field (their platform item 6 promises water.) On a serious note: shortages of the favorite band of cooking oil and rising costs of fuel counted heavily against #TEN. Anyway, we could agree on isues here before moving them to page 1.--Pawyilee (talk) 05:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC)