Talk:2012 24 Hours of Le Mans

B Class Assessment
In order to achieve B class the article, in my opinion, needs the following: --Sabre ball t c 15:54, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * More details about the race itself. The parts about qualifying are excellent. Also the listings of who finished in what place during qualifying and the race are excellent. More summary is definitely needed about the race though.
 * More supporting material. Specifically pictures if possible.

Car #79
Why does the results list Darren Law as the driver in car #79 when official results state it was Patrick Pilet? --Falcadore (talk) 07:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It must have been a change that I forgot to make to my copy of the results before pasting it into the article. This source lists Law as a non-starter, so he must have been listed with the team at an earlier time and then Pilet substituted for him.  The359  ( Talk ) 07:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Corvette C6.R
Now, to further explain the errors in the FIA/ACO entry lists from 2012. The entry lists for LMGTE cars in the World Endurance Championship as published by the FIA/ACO have a knack for listing the homologated road car on which the racing car is based. As you note, the entry list has a "Chevrolet Corvette C6-ZR1" because the LMGTE Corvette C6.R is homologated on the ZR1 Corvette to differentiate it from the old GT1 class Corvette C6.R based on the Z06 Corvette. The race car is however a C6.R. Note the sidepods and rear of the car where it is labeled C6.R, and has no mention of ZR1.


 * Sounds a bit like Original Research. Images should not be used to guess what a car is called (also, even if they could, that image is from 2010). The ACO, who organise the race, publish the name of the car as supplied to them by the teams and/or manufacturers. These race cars are nothing to do with road cars, they are completely different, and don't need to follow the same naming conventions. We can only go by officially published sources, not racingsportscars.com or anywhere else.
 * Images can be used as sources. Please find me a policy that states otherwise.


 * You also confuse my explanation of road cars. All LMGTE race cars must be homologated on a road going model.  The Corvette C6.R race car is homologated on the Corvette ZR1 road car.  The FIA/ACO are listing the road car on which the race car is homologated, just the same as the Ferrari and Aston Martin.  Here is a list of FIA homologations, including former GT1 and GT2 class cars, listed by the name of their production car, despite the racing cars having different names.  The ACO are not publishing the names given to them, they are publishing the names of the homologation files they have on record.


 * Finally, Corvette Racing clearly states "Based on the Corvette ZR1 supercar, the Corvette C6.R has strong links to the production version of America's performance icon. The GT rules require the use of many production-based components, expanding the opportunities for the two-way transfer of technology between the race track and the showroom. The Corvette C6.R utilizes the ZR1's body design, aerodynamic package, aluminum frame and chassis structure, steering system, windshield, and other components. The race team has prepared the cars for the rigors of endurance racing with safety and performance modifications as permitted by the rulebook."

Also note that the FIA/ACO entry list has a "Ferrari 458 Italia". Per Ferrari, the racing model is called Ferrari 458 Italia GT2. Also note the "Aston Martin Vantage V8", which is the road car, while Aston Martin Racing refers to it as the Vantage GTE.

The point is, what the FIA/ACO is listing is not the name of the race car. We list the correct name of the race car. We have absolutely no requirement to copy the FIA/ACO's scheme for referencing a race car. The359 ( Talk ) 05:06, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I sent the IP editor a picture of one of the cars, clear showing it's C6R badge. --Falcadore (talk) 06:20, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * He's changed IPs a few times, so I thought it best to post it here. The359  ( Talk ) 06:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * As an addition, the IP's documentation says "Chevrolet Corvette C6-ZR1", but the editor keeps changing the article to say "Chevrolet Corvette C6.R ZR1." The C6-based ZR1 is a road car.  The C6.R is a race car.  You seem to be mixing the two names together incorrectly.


 * And finally, Corvette Racing's overview of the C6.R.  The359  ( Talk ) 18:44, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

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