Talk:2012 Anaheim, California police shooting and protests/Archive 1

Untitled
I sure wouldn't want to live in Anaheim, the cops kill more people there than the gangs do! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.54.202 (talk) 00:13, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Category:Police brutality in the United States
It seems rather POV to me to keep adding this category at this stage of events instead of something like "alleged police brutality". While obviously things look back, there has been no investigation, the officers' stories are unknown, and none of the reliable sources linked here appear to be describing this as "police brutality". I propose that until a clear majority of sources are using this term (or similar terms), we leave off a category that judges the officers in advance. (Though the officers' names are not yet known, it also raises BLP issues to pass this judgement ahead of our sources). Khazar2 (talk) 03:39, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry Khazar2, but I disagree with your interpretation for the usage of this category, specifically in that the superseding structure: Category:Police brutality, incorporates incidents, allegations, convictions, acquittals, and general discussions of police brutality. In accordance with the rationale for utilising Category:Police brutality, it is unreasonable to portray the application of Category:Police brutality in the United States as accusatory or indicative of guilt. Thanks. Meph talk 04:34, 24 July 2012 (UTC).
 * Thanks for pointing that out to me; I should have clicked up to the master cat. I'll re-add if you haven't already. Khazar2 (talk) 04:38, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Referencing
I'm a little concerned with the lack of reference for the following; There have been 8 officer-involved shootings by the Anaheim Police Department from August 2011 through July 2012: David Raya (8/16/11), Marcel Ceja (11/9/11), Bernie Villegas (1/17/12), Roscoe Cambridge (1/19/12), Gerardo Pineda (2/24/12), Martin Hernandez (3/6/12), Manuel Diaz (7/21/12), Joel Acevedo (7/22/12). As such a quote could be considered libelous against the officers mentioned in this article and certainly towards the police department in question, this really needs a reliable reference (not twitter). 09:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Update: I located an Orange County Weekly report sourcing 6 incidents throughout the past year, not 8. I've added the reference and reflected these changes. IShadowed (talk) 09:41, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Comment
Page needs work. Should look similar to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.165.229.61  (talk • contribs)  06:40, 25 July 2012‎ (UTC)

Ordering
This article could do with a bit of organization at this point--we go from one shooting to the next and back again, with shootings of past years in between. Normally I'd tackle this myself but I'm unsure of the best way to sort this out, since it does all run together a bit. Any thoughts on how to section this? Khazar2 (talk) 18:42, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps something along the following lines:
 * 0. Lead, incorporating the initial paragraphs upto 'Eventually, Diaz was taken to hospital...'
 * 1. Aftermath/Reaction, beginning 'Subsequently, a crowd...'
 * 2. Subsequent incidents, followed by 'On the day after...'
 * 3. Background/Historical context, including 'Protests outside of the Anaheim...'
 * 4. See also, etc. Such organisation should render the earlier shootings consistent with recent events. Best, Meph talk 19:00, 25 July 2012 (UTC).

Title
I am wondering if this article should be retitled Shooting of Manual Diaz (à la Shooting of Trayvon Martin) or at least prefaced with the year per precedent in other articles: 2012 Anaheim police shooting and protests or even 2012 Anaheim police shootings and protests (plural). Thoughts? Location (talk) 00:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I actually though a lot about this when I started the article (in some way, it took me longer to decide on the title than to write the content). So, in regard to the first suggestion, Shooting of Manual Diaz, I would say a very definite no. It's bigger than that. I can see 2012 Anaheim police shooting and protests. I don't think the plural version of the title is appropriate. Volunteer Marek 00:38, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The shooting of Trayvon Martin encompasses more than just his death, too. I think it is common to name an article after the event that is the catalyst for other events. I'm honestly not terribly familiar with this story, though, so I'll defer to what you and others think. Location (talk) 00:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but I'm just not seeing it in the sources. With Martin, there was no previously established pattern of police shootings/abuse. It was some neighborhood watch guy going vigilante on this kid - not police. Here, it's a culmination of a long standing pattern which involved Anaheim police. There were no riots about Martin, not in the community he lived in, and that situation can reasonably be ascribed to just Zimmerman. That's not the case with this story. Volunteer Marek 01:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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