Talk:2012 IndyCar Series

three continents?
The intro paragraph says indycars 2012 season will be raced among 3 continents but only lists north and south America in the schedule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.187.230 (talk) 19:46, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The 3rd continent was supposed to be Asia, but the China race was cancelled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.234.185.69 (talk) 19:42, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Teams and drivers chart
The version used in previous articles was non-standard. I don't really feel like going through them and fixing them but we're definitely not bringing it to this article, especially since things have changed so much. 98.212.25.109 (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We can determine a standardized team and drivers chart for 2012 and onwards at WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing. We already use several templates in our project and they are not identical to the Formula 1 templates.  Most of the race season templates at present in the IRL, CART, Champ Car, and IndyCar season articles are very close to standardized already.Froo (talk) 21:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The driver/team chart template looks great (except sponsors should be indicated), but isn't it a little early to show a driver chart for the 2012 season, when only a few details are known? Or is it there to show the new formatting? 184.100.47.88 (talk) 04:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sponsors have no place in team/drivers chart. 98.212.25.109 (talk) 02:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Why does Justin Wilson's name keep popping on and off the chart? It hasn't been confirmed on Indycar's site that he's driving for Coyne, but Curt Cavin, SPEED, and other sources have.
 * Gernerally a good way to settle these sorts of disputes is to provide an actual cite that verifies the information, rather than just whinning on the talk page. The one that was there doesn't confirm this, so I've added one that does. You're welcome. 128.114.59.234 (talk) 23:37, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Can we at least get rid of the sponsors/notes? It makes it look very, very amateur. Sponsors are almost entirely irrelevant and "notes" is only useful for showing if the driver is part-time, which is much more succinctly provided by the Rounds column. I'm not a fan of the blue coloring either but it doesn't bother me enough to care. Also, food for thought: you might want to include the aerokit category, even though it's all Dallara this year, just so the chart is consistent year-to-year. Again, it's not a major issue whatsoever, but it's one of those things you tend to notice when looking at lots of past seasons. Eightball (talk) 22:21, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * A few suggestions about the team/driver chart. 1) I don't think the flag icons are at all necessary for the teams. Pretty much all the teams in ICS at any given time are U.S.-based. It just adds clutter. 2) The "TBA" should be removed from the notes column...since there may never be anything to report there. TBA should only be used when there is confirmed a car is entered, but has no driver. It should be left out for the sponsor column too, because again, there may never be anything to report. 3) I don't think we need to worry about aero kits coulmn for 2012, since it'll all be the same. Let's wait until 2013 for that. Doctorindy (talk) 18:13, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * One other note I'd like to add, as I think it's been a problem in the past. When people want to post a link/cite source, please take the time to do it the proper way. Go to Citation templates to see the very easy templates which accomplish several things...it makes the article cleaner, it makes the reflist cleaner, and it prevents link rot. Also, There is no reason to put extra, superfluous run-on descriptions like "...Robin Miller reported on SPEED on January XX, 2012 during his weekly segment that so-and-so will driver for Team ABC." All you have to do is put "So-and-so will drive for ABC." The source (i.e., Robin Miller, Trackside with Curt & Kevin) should be 'hidden' inside the citation template. Doctorindy (talk) 18:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, how did I not notice that Notes column... Although while we're on the topic of it, can we try to keep both the sponsors list and the notes sections relatively clean and concise too? We need to avoid huge sentences stretching the box out to over 900px+. For sponsors, can we stick to primary sponsors only, or the most high-profile sponsor in the case of a team where there is no year-long sponsor? Or at least use line breaks rather than a huge line of sponsors separate by slashes.  TheChrisD  Rants • Edits 00:21, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Malaysia?
Why is Lotus listed as Malaysia? AmericanLeMans (talk) 04:20, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Because they are Malaysian, do not change it to British. 98.212.25.109 (talk) 17:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Lotus is still headquartered in England. They are owned by Proton, which is headquartered in Malaysia. You might as well list Jaguar as American, since it's owned by Ford. AmericanLeMans (talk) 01:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you moron, Team Lotus the F1 team is distinct from Lotus Cars/Proton, the latter of which is entirely Malaysian and is actually involved with IndyCar. 98.212.25.109 (talk) 13:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It will be Group Lotus, headquartered in Norfolk, supplying the engines. AmericanLeMans (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

http://www.f1pulse.com/news/lotus_to_build_engines_cars_in_indycar_series/news-2010-november-news_20101119_93/news_article.aspx

NOTE: I am not mistaking them for the F1 team. The Wikipedia page lists Lotus Cars as being headquartered in Norfolk. AmericanLeMans (talk) 21:07, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Mercedes builds their engines in England too but no one thinks they are an English company. Stop being so thick. 98.212.25.109 (talk) 02:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Engine icon templates

 * Template:Firestone

Chevrolet IndyCar engine
 * Template:Chevrolet IndyCar engine

Honda IndyCar engine
 * Template:Honda IndyCar engine


 * I'm not sure we really need these for the engines. IMO, they're strictly decorative and don't convey the information as well as just words (see WP:ICONDECORATION).  I'm guessing the only reason we have little icons for tires is because the F1 TV graphics used them a few years back. —Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 21:38, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Schedule
There must be something known about Toronto - contract in place, extension? It's completely missing from all categories at the moment but I can't believe the race won't run. Anyone? Rwintle (talk) 19:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Likely though it may be, it should not be added to the article until it appears in a Reliable Source (i.e. not an editorial or an 'educated guess'). Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 20:45, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I've now added July 8 date as per the hondaindytoronto.com website (tickets on sale at time of posting) Rwintle (talk) 16:45, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Milwaukee was leaked to be back on the schedule for June 17. Supposedly this link was accessible earlier today with all the details. Screencap can be found at http://i.imgur.com/7J4Xh.jpg. Will need to be on the lookout for reliable sources for this.  TheChrisD  Rants • Edits 19:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Race summary box
Moved discussion to Template talk:IndyCarSeriesracebox

Doctorindy (talk) 17:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Barrichello
Why is Barrichello no rookie? It is his first Indycar season. So I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Januar2222 (talk • contribs) 15:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The series decides if a driver has rookie status or not. Pagenaud for example is not in his first season, but he still has rookie status (like in 2011). --Gamma127 (talk) 15:44, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Per, "INDYCAR president of competition Beaux Barfield said Barrichello won't be classified as a full-season rookie, but will be an Indianapolis 500 rookie."  TheChrisD  Rants • Edits 21:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

101st season of open wheel racing?
This would signify 1911 as the first year of the championship, which is incorrect. After a significant discussion on Talk:American Championship car racing we have finally nailed down what seasons are official vs. non official. While the first indy 500 was contested in 1911, the first season of championship racing was not until 1916; it was suspended for 3 years for WWI. The championship ran uninterrupted from 1920 through 1941 and was suspended for WWII until 1946. The championship has run uninterrupted since then. By my count the 2012 season represents the 88th season of open wheel racing. There is still debate about the legitimacy of the 1905 season, however 101 is simply incorrect. Please add you input, I'll wait a week or two before changing this and every other incorrect page. Thank you. Ehall317 (talk) 21:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've thought about this more and realize that the language says the 101st season of recognized open wheel racing. I guess I feel this is a misnomer. Why choose the 1911 running of the 500 as the moment that open wheel racing started? Why not start at 1905 because of the national track championship, or how about 1904 the first running of the Vanderbilt cup, or how about 1908 the first running of the grand prize. Or how about 1902, the first year of the "retroactive" national championship as decided by Russ Catlin? 101 just seems very arbitrary. Ehall317 (talk) 14:56, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This all sounds like a lot of original research to me. Isn't there a citation that can be used? --jmbox (talk) 15:07, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a simple question of what is official vs. not official. Where is the citation stating that 2012 is the 101st year of open wheel racing? in regards to this number, there really isn't any material to say if this is correct or not. It may be a wiki community construct. Ehall317 (talk) 14:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Driver's point standings
The Official Box Score for the Iowa race says that Franchetti didn't complete any laps. Why is the table cell in purple for didn't finish? Of course he didn't finish; he didn't even start! Can we change this to a white bold DNS?

Also, why is Ryan Briscoe's Indy qualifying pole position extra point in the wrong column? If he qualified on the polw, shouldn't the 1 in the qualifying column be bold? It doen't make any sense to have his finishing result bold, because that is not what got him the extra point. 198.228.200.155 (talk) 13:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, with Franchetti, he qualified in pole position for the race but had a mechanical failure and thus completed no laps of it; so he was classified last. And with the Briscoe issue, i'll look into that now. BosleyTree (talk) 14:13, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * (Edit)
 * From what i can tell, Briscoe having his race results in pole is correct, because every other season results has it too, and it shows he started the race in pole. BosleyTree (talk) 14:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * For IndyCar it is only a DNS if the driver does not leave the pitlane. Franchitti did, so for IndyCar, he started to the race and get fullpoints and not only halfpoints. --Gamma127 (talk) 15:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Can we get a source which explicitly says that Gamma? My perusal of the IndyCar rulebook only shows:

"10.3.5. If a Car participates in practice and/or qualifications but is unable to start a Race, the Driver and/or the Entrant shall receive half of the points the Car would have received for the Race had the Car started the Race (“nonstarting Cars”). INDYCAR shall determine whether a Car is deemed to have participated for purposes of this Rule 10.3.5."
 *  TheChrisD  Rants • Edits 18:39, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Coloured race numbers
I notice that has snuck back again again after the practice was halted during 2010 as it was perceived to be colour for no other reason than adding colour,m and potentially obscurative to those not able to perceive all colours correctly. Is there a good reason for its return other than being pretty? --Falcadore (talk) 03:12, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No objections to reverting to previous practice then? --Falcadore (talk) 10:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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