Talk:2012 Major League Soccer season/Archive 2

Matches Played, Goals Scored
Where do the totals for Matches Played and Goals Scored in the infobox come from? It's not referenced and have not been updated in a while. Is there a reputable source that tracks it? — Khvmty (talk) 16:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * They come from the league. It has been referenced in the past, but the league doesn't have a single page with the current totals that are updated, rather they release totals on days when matches are played and each update is a new page. We must remember to include the current value when updating the stats. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Tiebreak rules and the Western Conference
Hoi. According to the tiebreak rules, Vancouver should be on 4 and Colorado on 5, as Vancouver has 12 games played whereas Colorado has 13 (and 19/12 > 19/13, obviously). I know that the official MLS page has the same ranking, but they also have the wrong ranking in the Eastern Conference (Columbus and Chicago). So, what is wrong there? The tiebreak rules or the table? ^^ Best regards --Thogo 12:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Games played is not a tiebreak rule.
 * Head-to-head (Points-per-match average)
 * Overall goal differential
 * Overall total goals scored
 * Tiebreakers 1–3 applied only to matches on the road
 * Tiebreakers 1–3 applied only to matches at home
 * Fewest team disciplinary points in the League Fair Play table
 * Coin toss --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Uhm, what about the "Points-per-match average"? When two teams have the same number of points, the number of matches played will determine the placement, wouldn't it? ;) And back to the Eastern Conference, why has the MLS page Columbus on 4 and Chicago on 5? (I'm just curious, it's no criticism.) --Thogo 07:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If they're using rules not listed, we can't help them, we can only change to match their ranking. Until they update the standings we follow their tiebreak rules. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Columbus beat Chicago on May 26 so they hold the first tiebreaker (head-to-head). One95 (talk) 17:59, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, so head-to-head means only the direct competition? But that comment "(Points-per-match average)" is confusing then. Maybe one should explain that a little bit more in detail. Anyway, thanks for the answers. :) --Thogo 10:43, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Tiebreak edits
Hey,

I changed the wording on the tiebreaks from the league's version to remove the superfluous tiebreak 5, and to split out the two elements of tiebreak 4 which should be applied sequentially. Another example of how MLS can get things wrong in a published source. Nlsanand (talk) 22:55, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Also I was thinking there might be some way to role this into a template to make things easier to update, any thoguhts. Nlsanand (talk) 22:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)