Talk:2012 Summer Olympics/Archive 3

Does every country have female athletes?
From the article: "...meaning the Games became the first at which every country and sport included female competitors.". This was passed around some in the press at the start of the games, but I don't believe it's actually correct. Barbados (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics ) has 6 male athletes and no female, and both of Nauru's athletes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics ) are male. Kevinatilusa (talk) 19:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * These games had the last previously all-male countries to send female competitor(s). The ones which don't have females in these games, have had females in the past. Now every NOC has had a female athlete at least once. That is what it is supposed to mean. 85.217.15.248 (talk) 21:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That is true, and it is something that should probably be more clear, because right now it seems to be claiming that all delegation included women. Tad Lincoln (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I tried to edit and clarify the meaning Kevinatilusa (talk) 02:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly there is a small snag to this reasoning. The sources I've seen all say that this is the first games where each country fielded a women's team. And per WP:V, the basis for inclusion is verifiability not truth, and everything must be attributable to a reliable source, otherwise it's technically WP:OR. Is there a source for this I'm not seeing? JOJ Hutton  04:08, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Kevinatilusa already cited two countries, or NOCs, whatever, that included no female athlete at 2012 games. Barbados and Nauru. Even though he used the wikipedia articles on those coutries, not the original source, it's quite easy visiting the London 2012 official website and verifying it. For the lazy ones: Barbados Nauru No female. Maybe other NOCs than those two dint' sent female athletes to the games, but my lazyness do not allow me to verify it NOC per NOC. =P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.161.156.120 (talk) 06:17, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:OR states that you shouldn't take information from two or more sources to come to a conclusion not directly stated in those sources. That would be original research, and if we look the other way on this particular topic, it would be hypocritical and inconsistent. And of course we can not, under any circumstances use another Wikipedia article as verification for facts. Considering that a lot of sources are actually saying that this is the first Olympics that every single country fielded a women's team, we better come up with a verifiably reliable source. JOJ  Hutton  15:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The official Olympic site's list of Nauru athletes is not verifiably reliable enough? If you don't allow that, then there's a problem in that you're essentially asking to verify a negative -- if one source believes all countries sent female athletes, and ten others believe some countries sent women and others didn't, the former will report on it as news, the latter will say nothing because it's not as interesting.   Kevinatilusa (talk) 17:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * My curiosity took over my laziness and I went for it. Besides Barbados and Nauru, Saint Kitts and Nevis also sent only their men sprint team. Tameka Williams, a female sprinter from Saint Kitts and Nevis, was expected to participate in the games but SKNOC alleged she assumed the use of drugs prior to the games and sent her back home. About the sources, the London 2012 website is not one source. It is THE source from where other sources as newspapers and magazines take most of the information about the games they publish. And there is listed ALL atheletes, as is stated there, that participated in the games from any coutry. And from those three countries/NOCs only men participated. I mean, come on... It realy amazes me how people cling to wathever half-arsed argument to keep some piece of information that is not true just because that piece of information pleses then somehow. If some news says that all 204 NOCs sent women to these especifc games thats is just wrong information. Maybe due to an overexcited reporter as three autocratic coutries that never allowed their women to take part of the games finally abided by the world pressure. The truth is that, with those three countries sending women for the first time, all the 204 NOCs have now sent women to the games at least one time. Nauru, for example, sent a woman to the 2000 and 2004 games, but sent no woman to the 2008 and 2012 games. I'll just create a new section asking that part to be edited back to the Kevinatilusa version since the user R013 reverted the changes Kevinatilusa did before. I'll add BBC list of athletes as well (witch they probably took from the London 2012 website...) as reference:


 * Barbados: London 2012 BBC
 * Nauru: London 2012 BBC
 * Saint Kitts and Nevis: London 2012 BBC The BBC list still includes Tameka Williams. They did't update the list after she was sent back home. I could only find a tweet from BBC here and news from Times of india here


 * Something interesting and unexpected. I found as well two countries that sent only women. Bhutan and Chad. One male sprinter from Chad was expected to compete in the games, but he was cut before it. I don't know the reason for the cut indeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.56.51.68 (talk) 00:45, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I found a reliable source in a few seconds with a Google search and have changed the article to say: "Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Brunei entered female athletes for the first time, meaning every country has sent a female competitor to at least one Olympic Games. Barbados, Nauru and St Kitts and Nevis only had men in their teams but had entered women in previous Games. With women's boxing included, the Games became the first at which every sport had female competitors. "

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Yesterday I modified the Sports Calendar template for the 2012 Games however I have accidently done something in my modification which means everything below the  template is now centralised I have tried everything to correct this but I cannot find what I have accidentally done please can someone have a lock and correct this tiny mistake that I have made. (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:4CFA:D3BC:2930:D0CA (talk) 12:45, 21 January 2018 (UTC))
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