Talk:2013 FIA World Endurance Championship

Designation of the factory Porsches in GTE-Pro
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2013_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans Vikirad (talk) 09:57, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Trophy for Private LMP1 Teams
I don't understand why we should leave the table out. We already have a table for only 2 LMP1 manufacturers. Since there have been a lot of tables in the page, it makes no sense to save space by leaving out a short table.Icelan (talk) 01:42, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that it should be shown. I was reviewing all the standings today and was wondering where it was. It may only be a stubby table but it's still as equal a trophy as the rest. If Toyota hadn't scored at Silverstone would we be excluding the World Manufacturers table? Aheyfromhome (talk) 12:07, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The Manufacturers is a top tier World Championship. The LMP1 Privateers is a third tier FIA Trophy.  There are currently 15 charts in the article, up three from last season.  It is much too heavy on charts as it is now in comparison to prose.  Some consideration has to be given to article size and weight.  I included the Manufacturers Championship because, at the time, the FIA PDF initially listed it as being scored by all four cars, instead of the top two cars, but has since been amended.  It is also the same reason I have not listed every driver who has scored points, instead limiting the drivers charts to the Top 10 and Top 5 respectively.  We simply cannot fit every single statistic and points score for a series this big.  The359  ( Talk ) 17:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

New Entries counted in Classification
I just thought I'd point out that http://www.fiawec.com/courses/classification.html are reporting the new entries, such as the 98 Aston Martin, as being ranked in the full-season tables. I don't know whether thats' an error by a website editor or whether it's actually the case (contrary to what I understood), but I thought I'd point it out here for whomever it may concern. Aheyfromhome (talk) 12:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I noticed it as well and I'm under the assumption that it is in error. Both cases list the cars as not participating in the previous rounds, which is incorrect, and it makes no real sense to start scoring them halfway through the season.  If they continue to score them after Circuit of the Americas however, I will add them to the charts.  The359  ( Talk ) 16:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Just for formalities considering that we're deviating from the event's own website, the relevant articles of the Sporting Regulations that I can find are Article 16 f) + h), Article 21 d) e) and f), and Article 39 b). Unfortunately the website rather lets itself down by also having the 2012 version on their own Regulations page. Aheyfromhome (talk) 17:33, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The FIA has all the 2013 documents. The359  ( Talk ) 20:31, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * But that's... OK. That was supposed to be my first link but somehow I posted the same one twice. What a muppet I am. Aheyfromhome (talk) 22:57, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

GT Manufacturers Points
I've just noticed another possible contradiction in the standings as shown by the WEC. It concerns the World Cup for GT Manufacturers and which cars are eligible. The points are thus:
 * In the Spa race the non-full-season Aston Martin #98 finished second, but because it's a non-full-season entry it gets ignored and so Ferrari get a 1-2 result and all the other places are given out appropriately. This seems to be logical and goes along with Article 20 A a) of the sporting regs.
 * At Sao Paulo the Aston Martin #98 gets pole, but this counts for the GT Manufacturer points.

I interpret the rules as meaning that the #98 pole shouldn't count, specifically looking at 21 D c). It seems to me that the WEC website might be wrong on the point. Anyone got thoughts? Aheyfromhome (talk) 20:24, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ADDENDUM I've just noticed that the #98 got pole at Spa too but this is discounted by the WEC site stats. So given this precedent, I move to change the pole point for Sao Paulo from Aston Martin to Porsche and take the WEC site as being inaccurate. Aheyfromhome (talk) 21:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it is worth waiting until after COTA to see how the #98 is scored for this race, to see if it is indeed being counted as a full season entry now or if it is a mistake. The359  ( Talk ) 23:46, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

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