Talk:2013 Muzaffarnagar riots/Archive 1

Total absence of facts
This is an encyclopedic article. We can't censor facts. Statements like "a women was molested at a religious place" are entirely unhelpful for the reader. This article has been nominated for the front page WP:ITN section. That nomination will fail with the article as currently written. Editors should keep in mind that censorship over POV concerns is inappropriate. μηδείς (talk) 18:44, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have sensed extreme censoring of facts. I have some data, I'll come up with more links and edit this piece. Hopefully, that will be able to make the nomination successful. isoham (talk) 11:10, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Isoham, by Censorship, he was mentioning what you had exactly wanted. You wanted to withhold this article or censor the events that had happened. We did not quote Hindu or Muslim sources. All we are quoting are news from National News channels, which are broadcasting more Neutral mode of News. So ,no need to worry about NPOV of this article. He wanted the names and who-did-what to appear more clearly. - Vatsan34 (talk) 18:14, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * My concern is not really about POV. If a Muslim (or Hindu) paper says that "John Smith Murdered Bob Jones at the Central Mosque after prayers", but other sources don't confirm this, the solution is not to say "Someone murdered someone at a religious place" but to WP:ATTRIBUTE attribute the claim: "The Muslim (or Hindu) paper The Muslim (or Hindu) Times said that John Smith Murdered Bob Jones at the Central Mosque after prayers".


 * As it stands, unless there's a lot of work done converting the article to paragraph form, correcting the English grammar, and clarifying facts and adding sources, tis will miss its chance at the front page. I am not familiar with the story (for example, I have no idea what "eve teasing" is), so someone will have to fill in the facts.  If I can I will fix grammar problems. μηδείς (talk) 18:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I have rephrased the article adding three paragraphs to it, summarising the overall incident. - Vatsan34 (talk) 18:57, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Please DO NOT ADD a BOLD TITLE see WP:BOLDTITLE; the article is not about the title of the wikipedia article. μηδείς (talk) 19:35, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I have collapsed the list sections--they have to be integrated into the existing or new paragraphs.


 * Can someone explain what an FIR is, and then remove the tag? μηδείς (talk) 19:35, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The fplive source has been removed from the article, stranding the refname fplive cites. I cannot find it, can someone re-add it?
 * Certain portions of the article is commented and fplive reference is stuck there. Once, the commented portions are removed, it will be back in the ref section. - Vatsan34 (talk) 18:11, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone fixed it yesterday, it is in the investigation section now. μηδείς (talk) 18:21, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Misleading Cat
I have removed the catogory "Violence against Hindus" as this is a misleading cat---Vicharam (talk) 10:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 September 2013
Initial Clashes

Three Muslim youths sexually harassing a Hindu girl while she was going to school. As this was an ongoing incident, the girl complaints this sexual harassment to her Brother Sachin. Sachin followed her sister while she was going to school and saw the sexual harassment by himself. One among the Muslim youth name Shanavas who does the physical sexual harassment. Sachin condemns this action. Few days later, Sachin’s sister was gang rapped by these Muslim youths. Sachin sister tries to commit suicide. Sachin and his friend Gowrav go to question the Muslim youths who gang rapped Sachin’s sister. This is when these two were killed by the Muslim community.

When the Hindu Jat community men went to call Shanavas for enquiry, they were also killed by the Muslims.

Shanavas was killed after all these incidents in a retaliation by Hindu Jat community and not by the two youths (Sachin and Gowrav).

Krampnp (talk) 18:45, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you have a published source that says this? μηδείς (talk) 16:06, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please provide references before putting such claims on Wikipedia Page/Talk page. - Vatsan34 (talk) 18:00, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Do you have any sources that it is not true? Random Muslim rape and murder is quite common in their culture to other people. 67.1.242.56 (talk) 02:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Dear 67.1.242.56|(talk),Please refer WP:HTBC for understanding how to be civil on wikipedia. This is an online encyclopedia, not a front for pushing political/religious POV  Đõc §aмέέЯ   11:38, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

"Do you have sources it is not true?" you are making a claim, it is your responsibility to prove it 70.69.172.92 (talk) 00:43, 11 May 2014 (UTC)