Talk:2013 Pacific typhoon season/Archive 2

Records and general links
Guys we can not be making up records as it is original research, if it is a notable record then some media organisation or someone noteworthy (eg Jeff Masters) will probably mention it. I also have to have a nag about general links like http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/raw/wt/wtpq20.rjtd..txt or http://www.jma.go.jp/en/typh/ that i have just stripped from the article because we can not use them to back up what we are saying since they are overwritten every time a new advisory is issued. This is why we have webcites of the links and the logs above.Jason Rees (talk) 17:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The article should be semi-protected. Many guests who do not have reliable sources always provide wrong information. -- Meow  02:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced text of TS Yagi
Can anyone help me put a citation need tag? All that text isn't even sourced!-- ✯Earth100✯  (talk✉)  05:24, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Everything's sourced now. CycloneIsaac – E-Mail 17:08, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

13W makes landfall in China and does not affect China????
My edit reverted but 13W did make landfall in China, so it should affect China. Why China is not included?

Wildoneshelper (talk) 07:33, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Im Just wondering here but do we have a source that proves that 13W made landfall or even affected China bar the tracking map?.Jason Rees (talk) 12:00, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, the track says the depression does affect China. It even ended drought in China according to TVB. Wildoneshelper (talk) 09:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok in which case there should be no reason why its being removed from the Seasonal effects chart especially since JMA were monitoring it up until it made landfall.Jason Rees (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Unala
It is so tempting to merge Unala with the Other Storms section since it only existed in the WPAC for 12 hours. What do other people think?Jason Rees (talk) 16:01, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have to say that I am indifferent here. On one hand, what you said makes sense, but, on the other hand, it was a named storm and a basin-crosser. United States Man (talk) 20:26, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's see when JMA BT comes out. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:12, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That is indeed the problem USM and is what prevented me from boldly merging it, however i strongly disagree with waiting for the JMA BT since they wont downgrade it to a TD while it was in the Western Pacific or expand the details on the system out.Jason Rees (talk) 18:15, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You could take out 13W, as it is short on information. I think Unala could be expanded if sources can be dug up about how it was affected by Pewa and then absorbed into Pewa. Also maybe something brief about its time in the CPac. United States Man (talk) 21:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I was working on extending out 13W earlier and its just gonna be a case of working out its life story, since there's plenty of info around if you use the JTWC prognostic reasoning's and STWA's. Bar the two depressions currently active and looking like they will dissipate at any moment the only other system bar Unala i may look to merge is Bebeng.Jason Rees (talk) 22:08, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

JMA references
WIS Portal – GISC Tokyo is very useful, as you can check all JMA warnings since September 2011. -- Meow  08:08, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Good, i agree.-- ✯Earth100✯  (talk✉)  05:12, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * They are reliable because the website is operated by JMA. -- Meow  08:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I ave no qualms about its reliability but hadnt realized that it went back to September 2011. What might be good to do is to use this as the original url for the JMA warnings rather than the NOAA link. Doesi t contain any other NMHSS products (eg FMS)?Jason Rees (talk) 15:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I found some for the Australian region, but it lacks winds. --  Meow  19:19, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I did not know that this also provides Best Tracks since September 2011! They are the same to NOAA’s. -- Meow  02:32, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

NRL track data
What happened to the NRL track data for Wutip, Sepat and Fitow? The data is frozen at 28 September 00Z. Wave32 (talk) 08:40, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * NRL servers have been having data issues. They're still trying to fix everything. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 09:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've been talking to NRL Monterey and the last message was "We are experiencing major IT computer issues, long story." Updates seem to be happening sporadically at the moment. The problems seem to extend to the NRL Tropical Cyclone Page - there is an ABPW10 LOW alert at 02/0600Z for a system which isn't showing on there yet. Oh, and just to make my day complete, WebCite is of off line. Again.--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 08:26, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yutu storm track
What would people think of widening the coverage of this map, say to, to show where the storm was relative to Japan?--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 07:43, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That would make Yutu's track rather small compared to the rest of the tracks in the article. I, however, understand that the track has few land markers that would indicate its location relative to the rest of the basin, and broadening the coverage area might help. Supportstorm (talk) 10:42, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I've drawn it with , which meant the actual shrinkage in the track was barely noticeable. See what you think (when the servers catch up!)--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 17:24, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I think now that the best track is out we should center the image on the track. Supportstorm (talk) 11:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

New TD
The JMA reported that a tropical depression formed at 18Z on 31 December 2012. Should it belong to the 2012 article or this 2013 article? -- Meow  04:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * 18z, while cutting it very close, is still 2012. So it goes into the 2012 article. United States Man (talk) 07:11, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have seen the JMA 18z WWJP25 and it says nothing about a tropical depression, however now that we have a named storm if the BT says that the initial tropical depression formed during 2012 then there will be a nice home for it within the Other Storms section of 2012 PTS, in addition to its home here.Jason Rees (talk) 16:11, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The BT was published yesterday and unsurprisingly Sonamu is started at precisely 00z January 1.Jason Rees (talk) 19:36, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You should put it both 2012 and 2013 season just like what it did before in the 2011 season, there was a TD in December 31 and you put in both seasons. Typhoon2013 (talk) 03:10, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

There is one problem with putting Sonamu into the 2012 Other Storms section which is that we do not currently have a source stating that Sonamu existed during 2012. Jason Rees (talk) 05:03, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I was thinking to put Sonamu in the 2013 season but state in there that the season started on December 31, 2012 just like the Typhoon Alice in the 1979 season. What do you think? Typhoon2013 (talk) 01:34, 04 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If a system can be proved to have crossed the years so to speak then i would have no problem adding it to both articles, but at the minute we do not currently have a source stating that Sonamu existed during 2012.Jason Rees (talk) 01:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Formation of JMA TD 38
I don't know where did TD38 formed. It doesn't say anything on TD38. Is it near the International Dateline? Typhoon2013 (talk) 05:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * We have had two tropical depressions this week, 1 near the dateline and 1 that is about to cross 100E make landfall and move into the NIO.Jason Rees (talk) 13:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Are these two systems (one of which is now VSCS Phailin in the Bay of Bengal) really worthy of sections of their own on this page or should they be relegated to "Other storms"?--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 11:22, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Phalin maybe worthy of a section depending on the Thai impact while the IDL one should be relegated as it were.Jason Rees (talk) 11:28, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Pabuk
How was Pabuk a severe tropical storm if it was a category 2 equivalent typhoon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.155.12.101 (talk • contribs)
 * That's the intensity that the JMA reported it as reaching. &mdash;  Iune (talk)  22:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * To expand on that, the JMA reported that Pabuk had 10-minute winds of only 60kt, while the JTWC reported 1-minute winds of 90kt. -- 140.202.10.130 (talk) 14:34, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * This is actually possible. See storms: Bebinca (2000) and Yutu (2001). Typhoon2013 (talk) 06:32, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit war on Wilma
Seems like we're having a disagreement on the intensity of Tropical Depression Wilma. JTWC has it at 30 knots. This will stand until the best track is released. Supportstorm (talk) 18:05, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok so checking the warnings issued by the JTWC it was considered a tropical storm on the 5th at 1500Z. The best track does not reflect this. Sorry for the misinformation. Supportstorm (talk) 18:10, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, I've noticed 2 edits and state Tropical Depression Wilma instead of Tropical Depression 30W (Wilma), it seems like we're having a disagreement on the name as 30W (Wilma). Do we need to put 30W (Wilma) in the article, or only Wilma? Typhoon2013 (talk) 06:38, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I do not see why we need to give the PAGASA names any special treatment by noting that Wilma was 30W in the title or put brackets around Bising. Its fine to put the names in brackets if the system is named by the JMA but when the only designation is the name or when the JTWC have given it a number.Jason Rees (talk) 13:58, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should do the same in the 2009 and 2011 season? To only put the PAGASA name without the JTWC number? Typhoon2013 (talk) 17:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes.Jason Rees (talk) 17:32, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Remnants of Wilma
Do you think that we should put the remnants of Tropical Depression Wilma on the 2013 North Indian ocean cyclone season? See Tropical Depression Durian in the 2006 North Indian Ocean cyclone season. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Only if it redevelops into a depression. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:32, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Very few agencies reports that it is still in the same category, and the others say that of course it is the remnants. Do I still need to put in the 2013 North Indian Ocean cyclone season, just for sure? Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I know that the storm is still out there, and in the Indian Ocean, but we shouldn't add the storm to their corresponding article unless the IMD officially recognizes the system as a tropical depression (which would require the system to regenerate). Unless that happens, we should keep all information on the storm in this article, regardless of its current location. LightandDark2000 (talk) 02:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Tropical Depression 03C
Do we need to put Tropical Depression 03C in the Storms section or in the Other Storms section? What do you think? Typhoon2013 (talk) 23:59, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It works fine in the other storm section IMO, since it barely did anything and wasn't a named storm in the WPAC. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:02, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Lets wait and see what the TCR says, but i quite like it being in the Other Storms section.Jason Rees (talk) 15:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Putting 03C into the Storms section is better. This is recognised by JTWC. -- Meow  01:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-Protection of Article
Many of the IPs are adding way too much crap to this article. I have seen unreferenced, yet false info being added, plenty of WP:OR, and other potentially fake info being added to this article. I had to revert much of it multiple times over, and I am fed up with it. I think that it is time that we take this case to an Admin and have them semi-protect the page, so that the editing will be more controlled. LightandDark2000 (talk) 18:52, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. A lot of users or people are adding stuff which is not true. I've seen all of these stuff since 2012. Typhoon2013 (talk) 06:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think semi protecting this article would work or be worth it since certain named users are adding in so called crap as well. This includes rating TC's on the SSHS rather than comparing them .Jason Rees (talk) 17:17, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

2014 Pacific Typhoon Season
Is it now ready to put the text back again which I created? If you don't know what I'm talking about, please see the View history button on the 2014 Pacific typhoon. Typhoon2013 (Talk) 02:51, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Give it another month and then it will be time to create the article.Jason Rees (talk) 04:03, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

2013 Season summary map
I am just a little bit concerned about with no other tropical depression tracks on the map. Is anyone still editing the map? But it is still ok to leave it until the season ends and add the other tracks. Typhoon2013 (talk) 06:22, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The track map is fine so there's no need to be concerned about it.Jason Rees (talk) 18:08, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Typhoon fitow
Lets collaborate on this article. Needs some improvement and a few more sources... ..ItsPaide.. 16:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Id be more than happy to help with the MH.Jason Rees (talk) 22:32, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Typhoon Fitow and Nari, reliable or unreliable resource for damage report? (AON Benfield)
There is a damage currently for Fitow, at approx ~972,000,000 USD; Maybe that can change. We all know AON Benfield. Well, according to the October 2013 Global Catastrophe recap which most people are not aware about, it cites Fitow as causing 6.7 billion dollars USD of economic losses, and Nari as 158 million (and Cyclone Phailin at 1.1 billion.) Also wipha at 100,000,000+ USD "^Typhoon Fitow quote"

What do you think? We know there is already an estimate, but should we use this one? I haven't seen a citation for Fitow on the season effects. ..ItsPaide.. 00:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * If I have time tomorrow, I'll look through some Chinese sources and see what they come up with. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Found another resource. Also ranks Fitow at 6.7 billion $ and from wunderground. click here. Also lists haiyan at $2 billion and utor at $2.6 billion. ..ItsPaide.. 03:47, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The 2013 China Country Report to the WMO's Typhoon Committee has just come out, as a result i have been through this article and have updated it while removing deaths that were either not backed up by a source or were not associated with the tropical storm. Another sweep will be done when the Philippine and Vietnamese reports come out.Jason Rees (talk) 17:08, 2 December 2013 (UTC)