Talk:2014 IIHF World Championship

About the World Championship bracket
I may not notice that we should use more standard templates for 2014 Ice Hockey World Championship. The seed received by a team could be display next to the team on every round (as in soccer and basketball).

Here is my finished templates I would suggest:

Group A

Group B

Playoff round

† Indicates overtime win ‡ Indicates shootout win

AaronWikia (talk) 16:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The "did not make playoffs" is useless, just leave it "white" or whatever it is by default. As for the bracket, maybe take a look at the earlier editions? What you suggest is something we already have... Kante4 (talk) 10:37 pm, 20 February 2014, last Thursday (2 days ago) (UTC+1)
 * Templates updated, by me. AaronWikia (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * See above. The bracket is the one we use and only green/red are needed. All in all: That's what we've did for the last year(s)... Kante4 (talk) 18:45, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

IIHF World Championship
Please don't make this article a re-direct to 2014 Men's World Ice Hockey Championships, as this article deals only with the championship round of the entire tournament, just like the other IIHF World Championship articles. GoodDay (talk) 16:07, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Groups and seeding
Group prediction seems well, why not. But I think the format isn`t yet confirmed. To be determined at IIHF congress on Friday IMHO. --CZMajkl (talk) 17:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Symbolism
A cross (†) is a symbol of Jesus' crucifixion of Jesus and his death at Calvary. Why do we use it to refer to the country qualified as a host? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.175.97.246 (talk) 20:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Why not? I could not care less about "Jesus"... Kante4 (talk) 22:33, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it is not a chinese '10'?18abruce (talk) 01:40, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


 * From "†"'s wiki article: A dagger, or obelisk, U+2020 † dagger (HTML: &#8224; &dagger;), is a typographical symbol or glyph. In fact, "christian cross" has its own Unicode, for example: U+271D. Though they seem to be the same, they're not. 82.141.126.28 (talk) 00:25, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * We can also use "H" letter, which mean "host" or "home". -- Brateevsky ( talk to me ) 08:41, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Just leave it as it is and done for the last editions... Kante4 (talk) 10:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Though it is weird it needs to be used. There are many other symbols that could be used, more easily got from the keyboard. At least #, ¤, &, £, $ and ~. Though that part is now gone from the article. 82.141.126.28 (talk) 04:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * What's the problem with that symbol? Don't get it... Kante4 (talk) 08:34, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

When will the teams be set?
Does anyone know when the national teams for these games will be all set?
 * Rosters are known a day or so prior to the start. It all depends. Official the IIHF publishes them on the start date of the tournament. Kante4 (talk) 19:32, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Qualified teams
I think Russia qualifies because 1) it scored 12 points and 28 * 3 / 7 = 12 (number_of_all_games * three points if win / number_of_teams) and 2) there will be games United States vs. Latvia; Belarus vs. Germany; Latvia vs. Belarus and Germany vs. United States — so I'm not sure that all four teams (Belarus, USA, Germany and Latvia) scores 12 points in 4 games for each team and overtake Russia. -- Brateevsky ( talk to me ) 11:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I however am sure by checking the remaining matches. As long as some of the head to head games go to overtime it is possible for USA to finish with 13, while LAT, BLR, and GER all can have 14 points.18abruce (talk) 11:54, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually simpler than that if Finland beat Belarus now:  if Finland and USA go to overtime with each other, win their other two games, Latvia defeats Russia, Belarus defeats Russia and either Latvia or Germany, then Russia is 5th place, and there are other possibilities yet as well.18abruce (talk) 18:49, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Sweden and Canada are qualified for QF. Slovakia, Denmark and Italy cannot have 13 points. Czech republic, France and Norway play with each other, so they can get maximum of 18 points in total. But to all of them get to 13, they need 22 (7+7+8). Thus, Canada and Sweden can be fourth at worst. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.105.141 (talk) 20:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. Sweden qualified and will be the from first place to third place. It's obviously. What about Canada...If France and Norway will get 13 points, then Czech Republic will get at best 9 points. And if Czech Republic will get at least one point in games with France and Norway, these countries wouldn't get 13 points both. -- Brateevsky ( talk to me ) 12:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

NHL.com claims USA is qualified for the Quarterfinals. (Source) This is however incorrect. For instance, this scenario leads to USA being eliminated on head-to-head record: Leads to the table: However, if Germany fails to defeat Russia in regulation today, USA qualifies for quarterfinals. -- Lejman (talk) 17:14, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Belarus defeats Latvia - Blr 12p
 * Latvia defeats Switzerland - Lat 12p
 * Germany defeats Russia and USA - Ger 11p.
 * Rus 15
 * Blr 12
 * Lat 12
 * Ger 11
 * USA 11
 * Edit: Hmm, now IIHF's homepage claims the same. Am I missing something? :| -- Lejman (talk) 17:19, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You are right. Kante4 (talk) 17:31, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


 * As long as France holds their four goal lead FRA and CZE will be qualified for the quaterfinals. Whoever wins the game between them will be third place, the loser could end up in a three way tie for fourth, however both NOR and SVK lost their head-to-head games with both FRA and CZE.18abruce (talk) 15:51, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yup. Is SUI eliminated? LAT plays BLR later on, so... Kante4 (talk) 16:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * you bet, either LAT or BLR will have a minimum of 11 points.18abruce (talk) 16:05, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok and ITA needs to defeat SWE in regulation to avoid relegation... (Good luck with that). If they do, A1/A2 are also decided! Kante4 (talk) 16:08, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Preliminary Round
Would anyone object to splitting the Preliminary Round into a subarticle and just keep the two tables? Soerfm (talk) 12:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm... i don't know. I know the article is quite "big" but still i'm not sure... Kante4 (talk) 12:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

What about...

...? Soerfm (talk) 20:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Few things.

1) It looks better next to eachother.
 * True, I took this idea from the 2014 FIFA World cup qualification. Only problem is they have it built into a template.

2) The scores needs to be displayed twice, empty fields don't look good.
 * That would look like two games for each pair of teams

3) Take a look at the EHF CL articles or UEFA CL ones for other display opinions (although this one is pretty good).

4) IF we do that, we could link to the games directy with the "div template". I though about splitting earlier, but decided against it. So still not sure and we should wait for more editors to weigh in.

P.S.: 1 nation is missing on each side.
 * I thought so too but the games are all there

Kante4 (talk) 20:13, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Next to each other = col-2 template and like this, it looks messed up and like games are missing. On the table tennis team wc article is it displayed how i thought it can be. Kante4 (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

graphics
I don't understand some of the graphics. First, the map has the title "Participants and their results." what does that mean? What are the groups of numbers? Second, in the long list of game results, which team is on the left, and which on the right? It's not winner and loser, respectively. Kdammers (talk) 23:56, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Graphic shows how each team finished. And what??? It's just "home" vs. "away" as assigned by the IIHF. We don't sort them by winner/loser. You can see the result by looking at the score? Kante4 (talk) 17:49, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Merging with 2014 Men's World Ice Hockey Championships
2014 IIHF World Championship should be merged with (i.e. added to) 2014 Men's World Ice Hockey Championships — these articles are about one and the same issue. DobryBrat (talk) 11:05, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually no they aren't. This article is about the top tier tournament, the championship tournament, the other one is a gerbil one about all of the IIHF tourneys last year.  Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:35, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * They should not be merged, in fact we decided to break the 2015 article down further. The plural 'Championships' is simply that, a listing of six different tournaments providing direction and context to each, while the singular 'Championship' signifies the top level only.18abruce (talk) 19:20, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree with non-merging, DobryBrat is just wrong. Kante4 (talk) 21:15, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

controversy over final game?
Just in case, perhaps there is a some issue of controversy in the final game. It appears that it amounts to, "my team lost because of the refs," but perhaps there is something that satisfies WP:RS that is more than that.18abruce (talk) 19:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)