Talk:2014 Thai coup d'état

NOPMC
How does NOPMC stand for National Peace and Order Maintaining Council? Furius (talk) 15:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it should be POMC --Biglobster (talk) 15:44, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


 * [EC] I think it's a typo. I've change all instances to NPOMC. There's some inconsistency, with the Thai News Agency using both POMC and NPOMC, but I think NPOMC is probably better since it avoids confusion with the Peace and Order Maintaining Command. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:47, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


 * It's definitely NPOMC, as its Thai name ends with "ชาติ" or "National" Mexicocamboya (talk) 01:03, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Cambodia
Considering their reaction, we should mention the whole imbroglio last year at the border. theyre pretty partisan here.Lihaas (talk) 13:08, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Is Cambodian–Thai border dispute the right article? If so, the right change to the Cambodian reaction would probably be to insert "Cambodia and Thailand have had an ongoing border dispute since 2008." or similar. I know the border issues are apparently "century long", but the current flare-up started in 2008. More of a mention is probably only warranted if the coup would be expected to substantially impact the dispute (i.e., beyond leaving open to question whether the junta, if it stays in power long, will respect the ICJ decision). —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 13:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ - added a small clause to explain its significance. Jr8825  •  Talk  01:54, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Detained vs arrested
"Arrested politicians" should be changed to "detained politicians". I think perhaps other instances of "arrested" should also be changed to "detained". Example reference 76: "guarantee due process for those who have been detained." Dmatteng (talk) 15:38, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * So far words - captured, hold, apprehended, arrested and detained have being used. I think we should not use 'captured' - because it happens in war conditions while so far there is no fighting. And we should not use 'arrested' despite its appearance in some sources that were translated from Thai. I think Thai term for being detained must have a broad meaning and includes arrested. However police arrests while military detains, and arrest normally implies charging with an offense. As I understand martial law simply gives the military a power to detain without a charge and that is what they are doing. Dmatteng (talk) 05:56, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * This is an English language newspaper in Thailand - http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/411471/army-chief-detains-yingluck-ministers and it uses detained. Dmatteng (talk) 06:00, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I also think "detain" is more appropriate. BBC is also use detain. "Arrest" sounds more like legal enforcement to me. --Biglobster (talk) 15:14, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * In the U.S., a suspect must be charged or released within 24 to 48 hours of an "arrest." This rule doesn't apply to the military, so they may "detain" for as long as they like. The great huha (talk) 08:05, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That is exactly what I'm trying to say. Military doesn't normally arrest nor detain, however under Martial Law they can detain people up to 7 days without bringing charges (just listened to an official speech from the coup leader on Thai TV.) Dmatteng (talk) 10:04, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree that 'detain' is the most appropriate term in this context. --RJFF (talk) 13:19, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Military court
I think the news article in Prachathai saying military court doesn't allow the appointment of lawyers should be corrected or removed. Actually, Prachathai is referring to "military courts while in the battlefield" (ศาลอาญาศึก) while the courts that are in use as declared by NPOMC is "military court during irregular times" (ศาลทหารในเวลาไม่ปกติ) which still allow for the appointment of lawyers by the defendant themselves. Even Prachathai (in Thai language) reported later (here: http://www.prachatai.com/journal/2014/05/53672) that defendants in court martial can indeed self-appoint lawyers (this news comes out 5 days later from the news referenced in the article.)

additional ref (in Thai): http://www.tambol.com/first_court/military_court16.asp

Kelos omos1 (talk) 20:19, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ - removed. Dmatteng (talk) 10:57, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Song
Today after the coup leader completed his appearance on Thai TV a song was played in Thai language with subtitles in English. Seems to be written by the coup organizers/supporters. The lyric says that Thai soldiers swore to protect the Thai people and thus in the time of trouble they have to fulfill their promise/oath. They would like to restore peace and love between all the Thai people. I think this song elucidates well the official motives of the coup as it is being presented to the Thai people and if there are reliable source that got the lyrics perhaps it might be included here. Dmatteng (talk) 17:57, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Was it the following song from Youtube? -> Youtube: เพลง คืนความสุข ให้ประเทศไทย
 * The text goes:

When the Nation, the King and the People are facing crisis, We ask the permission to take care of the country It’s our promise.

When the Nation is on fire, we asked to interfere…before it’s too late. We’ll bring love back [to the Nation] no matter how long it takes Can you please wait…for the conflict to pass?

We’ll keep our promises. It won’t be long. and the beautiful nation will return We’ll act with honours. Please have faith [in us]. The country will get well again. We’ll bring happiness back to you, the People.

Today we know we’re tired…but we’ll brave the dangers Soldiers’ pride is not to give up…this is a promise. When the Nation is on fire, we asked to interfere…before it’s too late.
 * Source chiangmaicitynews.com: Royal Thai Army Band Releases Original Song Written by General Prayuth - Takeaway (talk) 01:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. Should we add it to the article? Dmatteng (talk) 14:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Mentioning the song and the circumstances of its creation should be okay. I'd suggest not to include the lyrics or its translation, for copyright reasons at the very least. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:49, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm neutral on this. I think the song may be posted, but will leave it to more experienced editors to decide. Perhaps it will be decided that it will be added as a quote enclosed in borders. In any case I think we can post a summarization of what the song is saying and maybe to quote a few important words. Dmatteng (talk) 21:42, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Suan Dusit Rajabhat University Poll
Poll on happiness under NCPO rule: http://www.chiangmaicitynews.com/news.php?id=4058 Perhaps an item for a new section of "domestic reactions"? For instance "Public response"?- Takeaway (talk) 19:34, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I personally think it would be rather misleading to quote statistics from that survey in this article, as it would imply that the responses are a guage of public opinion towards the coup. If you look at the wording of the survey, it's not actually measuring public opinion of military rule, but rather asking whether people think the populist schemes the military has set in place will make people happy (which they are designed to do - they are populist for a reason)! It's also worth bearing in mind that you could be detained for being opposed to the coup at the moment in Thailand. Jr8825  •  Talk  11:40, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * To me the poll results seem useful IF taken for what they are, and described as such. As for the way the questions are phrased, saying "not happy" to any of them isn't really enough to land someone into military detention. And yes, the poll is on populist measures taken by the military government although a crackdown on corruption should be fairly normal for any government. Perhaps the poll results could find a place in the whole "restoration of happiness to Thailand" policy that the military have started? It's a big thing in this time's coup and thus should be mentioned in the article if it wants to reflect the coup correctly. - Takeaway (talk) 17:47, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I would oppose using this survey on the article per Jr8825. The wording of the survey is a major concern. It is also not clear how the "online survey with 1,634 participants" was conducted. Dmatteng (talk) 19:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I really do miss reading any mention of the "Return Happiness" publicity offensive by the military leadership. This seems definitely worthy of inclusion seeing how many headlines it made worldwide. Some articles: The Nation: Unending Army's courtesy to return happiness, Time.com: The Thai Junta’s ‘Happiness’ Song Is a Hit! (But Who’d Dare Say Otherwise?), cbc.ca: Thailand military leaders launch happiness campaign, abcnews: Thai Junta to 'Return Happiness' Through World Cup, theguardian.com: Thai junta 'brings happiness to the people' with parties and selfies, npr.org: Cheer Up, Thailand! Junta Aims To Return Happiness. - Takeaway (talk) 21:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I would support it (but not the above mentioned survey). I have also proposed to include the song (which is a hit according to Time.com) and I don't think English translation of the song would have any copyright issues. Dmatteng (talk) 07:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Provisional constitution drafter
Chulalongkorn University law lecturer Wisanu Kruangam.
 * Thai: วิษณุ เครืองาม
 * การทำงาน
 * ดร.วิษณุ เครืองาม เริ่มรับราชการในปี พ.ศ. 2515 เป็นอาจารย์ประจำคณะนิติศาสตร์ มหาวิทยาลัยรามคำแหง ในปีต่อมาได้ย้ายมาประจำที่คณะนิติศาสตร์ มหาวิทยาลัยธรรมศาสตร์ และที่คณะนิติศาสตร์ จุฬาลงกรณ์มหาวิทยาลัย จนกระทั่งได้รับโปรดเกล้าฯ แต่งตั้งเป็นศาสตราจารย์ประจำคณะนิติศาสตร์ จุฬาลงกรณ์มหาวิทยาลัย ในปี พ.ศ. 2529
 * ในปี พ.ศ. 2534 ดร.วิษณุ เครืองาม ได้โอนมารับราชการพลเรือนในสังกัดสำนักนายกรัฐมนตรี ตำแหน่งรองเลขาธิการคณะรัฐมนตรี และได้รับแต่งตั้งเป็นสมาชิกวุฒิสภา 2 สมัย ในระหว่างปี พ.ศ. 2535 - 2543 และได้รับแต่งตั้งเป็นเลขาธิการคณะรัฐมนตรี ในปี พ.ศ. 2536 - 2545

- 14:13 น. 2 กรกฎาคม 2557

En: Faculty of Law, Thammasat University
 * Witsanu Khruea-ngam, Associate Professor (วิษณุ เครืองาม)
 * Deputy Prime Minister of Thailand, Secretary General of the Cabinet

- 09:47, 2 July 2014

Pawyilee (talk) 15:38, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Three fingers salute
"Thai protesters against the coup used the three-finger salute from The Hunger Games film series, symbolising their opposition to the coup.[130] The three fingers represent equality, liberty and brotherhood.[131]"

Both references (130 and 131) lead to news articles that provide no evidence the sign has been taken from the movie. There're no protesters' testimonies, just reporters assuming. The three fingers salute is the official scout sign and salute so it could have been taken from there. And even if it was taken from the movie, it represents something entirely different there: "thanks, admiration, and good-bye to a loved one" (according to the disambiguation page).

That disambiguation page also mentions the symbol being taken from the movie ("2014 Thai coup protest symbol - inspired by the Hunger Games") when it's obviously not needed (it should only explain what the symbol is/represents).

It all seems like a publicity stunt for the new movie, taking advantage of the protests.


 * The 3 finger salute was used immediately after the military takeover in Thailand this May, and not used as a publicity stunt for the present movie which only came out a few days ago in Thailand, and immediately banned in Thailand. - Takeaway (talk) 05:15, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

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