Talk:2015 ACC Championship Game

CAROLINA'S ONSIDE KICK
There certainly needs to be a section about the bad offsides call that ended the game. A lot of articles mention it and some focus on it completely. Even the announcers made it a topic of discussion. I know its hard to include but its certainly something worth noting. It certainly did take away any chance Carolina had of winning in the last minutes of the game. If it gets deleted before anyone talks about it, here's what the section said

Controversial Call[edit]

With many controversial calls throughout the game, the most notable was the final attempt by North Carolina to tie the game. Down 45-37 with 1:11 to go, Carolina needed an onside kick for a chance to beat Clemson. The referees called the play offside, claiming one of the Tar Heels crossed the 30 yard line before the ball was kicked. Reviewing the play showed that none of the Tar Heels crossed the line with any part of their body. Offsides is not a reviewable foul. It's considered a judgment call by the on-field refs. The offsides call meant a re kick by Carolina where Clemson recovered the ball, and ran out the clock to win the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.187.137.66 (talk) 14:41, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Here's the problem with this. There were many bad calls in the game that went both ways. On that same onsides kick, there was a vicious targeting blow by a UNC player on the Clemson player who tried to recover the kick. This would have made the onside kick a moot point. There's also no mention of a similar targeting play against Clemson QB Deshaun Watson. You also have problem with the wording here. It was not a "final attempt by North Carolina to tie the game." It was an attempt to retain possession. "Carolina needed an onside kick for a chance to beat Clemson". This is also incorrect. UNC couldn't have won the game simply by recovering the kick. More would have to happen. Putting sole focus on one call that went a particular way violates Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy (WP:POV). The outcome of the game had the call gone the other way is purely speculation and not done in other articles. This is different from games like the recent Packers-Lions game where the facemask penalty indisputably affected the outcome of the game. No one knows whether or not UNC would have tied the game, and to argue that the call affected that is POV. Please review the policy and build consensus before making a change regarding calls.--LesPhilky (talk) 23:12, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

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