Talk:2015 Argentine general election

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Cristina
Does it make sense to list Cristina Kirchner as a potential candidate? As described, she can not run for a new term unless the constitution is amended. Which is just a possibility that may or may not happen, not a mere formal step like registering as a candidate or selecting a vicepresident candidate. In the current legal framework of Argentina, as it is, Cristina Kirchner is not a potential candidate. If the constitution is amended (with emphasis in "if"), then we may list her. Cambalachero (talk) 01:56, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

De Gennaro
Víctor De Gennaro and his party (Popular Unity) aren't members of the Workers' Left Front. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fmgo (talk • contribs) 06:44, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Map
The map showing Argentina's territories show the Falkland islands which are only a disputed territory and not an internationally recognised part of the country. I would suggest updating or changing the map to reflect this. Ronmoger (talk) 05:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It also shows Argentine claims on Antarctica as having voted for Front for Victory. In line with the reasons above, this should be changed. The territorial claims of the Argentine government over Antarctica (as with all other countries claiming territory) are not internationally recognized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.232.37 (talk) 12:16, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * People voted in Antarctica, there was a polling both there. That's the main difference there and the main reason for including it. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, just checking on that, the people in Antarctica actually overwhelmingly voted for PRO (some 80%). The reason it's shown as blue is that administratively, it is part of Tierra del Fuego province (along with the islands), which voted for FPV. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 16:52, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Comments
I'm not sure if it's a good idea to list every single deputy running in every province in Argentina. I suggest creating a separate list article for that section, or simply remove it altogether.

I will also try and incorporate more information from eswiki, such as tables. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 05:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Opinion polls
I propose to remove the section on the opinion polls. It is too much information, and it will be ultimately pointless. We should simply move some of the data to the context section, to the parts were it may be noteworthy to mention the opinion polls of the time (such as the decrease of Massa from his initially higher numbers), and remove the rest. Cambalachero (talk) 12:51, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree that most of the information is irrelevant now, and as you say, some of it should be moved. The numbers should simply be put in a table, and perhaps some major domestic events outlined there if there is any correlation with changes (though this may not be the case). SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 14:37, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Governor elections
Should it not also be mentioned that numerous governors were elected? I think the changes of government in the province of Buenos Aires should also be mentioned elsewhere in the article since it received a lot of coverage as being a big blow for the FPV and huge victory for PRO/Cambiemos. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 17:02, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, it has to be mentioned. And also the legislative elections, which I did not updated yet with the results because it's so huge. Cambalachero (talk) 17:10, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll add a small section on the provincial elections now. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 17:26, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I added the initial paragraph. How do you suggest I format the results? I think for the time being a table as having a sub-section for each province would require a lot of research, but I don't feel strongly in either case. Currently looking at which other provinces elected governors this year to add that into the section because I can't remember. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 17:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * All the provinces elected new governors this year, save Corrientes and Santiago del Estero. We can keep it short and simple: province, date of local elections (not all elections were this October 25), elected governor, party. Cambalachero (talk) 18:07, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I didn't see the message when I started on the table, but it's generally in line with what you're saying. It could probably be trimmed down removing the incumbents - but in that case it would be good to show the changes in the total party affiliations briefly above. Likewise, the year of election can be replaced with the date of the election. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 19:59, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm detailing, with text, all the local elections. I'm dividing in paragraphs according to the results at each region of Argentina. Cambalachero (talk) 15:40, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Parties vs Electoral fronts and coalitions
I saw that the entire article now has the word "party" used throughout, often in an incorrect manner. Can we be more careful with this? SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 17:28, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Single or separate ballot
Does Argentina use the single ballot system (one vote for president/Senate/Chamber as used in Uruguay) or are there separate ballots for all three? I'm just wondering why there don't seem to be separate figures for the Congressional elections. Cheers, Number   5  7  21:24, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * They use different categories for each seat (President, Senators, Deputies, and even Governors or other seats according to the province), but the ballot paper for each party/candidate contains all the categories (the ballots are printed by the parties and are usually long), although a voter can cut off some categories and add the ballots for other party in the category that didn't vote for on the original party. In example: if I vote for president and senator for the Justicialist Party, I could vote for Cambiemos on the Deputies' election cutting off the Justicialist Party ballot in the way that it include only the president and senator category, and adding the Cambiemos ballot for the deputy candidates inside the envelope. That's called "crossed vote" (voto cruzado in Spanish) or "ballot cutting" (corte de boleta). I hope this clarify you some of your doubts. Regards. --Sfs90 (talk) 23:09, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * There's some pictures of some different ballots in the commons. In the city of Buenos Aires (and also Salta I think) there's a unified electronic ballot where you can do what Sfs90 said (voting for different parties for different positions) on a screen and it then prints it out on a single standardised ballot. I'm not sure if any provinces use a single non-electronic ballot. Different parties and politicians advocated different ways of changing the existing system - it was pretty contentious. Maybe we should include it in the "controversies" section because it came up a lot throughout the year. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 23:22, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that explains it very well, thanks. Sounds rather complex though. I will draft an electoral system section - feel free to amend it. Cheers, Number   5  7  12:44, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Indeed, it also sounded complex to me when I read about that for the first time (I'm not Argentinian). I hope that the section that you're creating could clarify to all readers this complexity. Regards. --Sfs90 (talk) 17:10, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

On a related note, do Elecciones Argentinas release vote figures for Congress? I recall having difficulties obtaining figures for the last general elections in 2011. Number  5  7  10:43, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * This page has all the official results. Get into each province, and there is a section for all the specific results, senators and deputes included. But it's a huge number of tables to add, so it will take some time. Let's hope that Scioli does not resign as it is rumored, so we have time until november 22 to complete this. Cambalachero (talk) 15:46, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, rather a lot of work; if only I didn't have a job... I am still trying to compile the Haitian parliamentary election results (first round), which were released only by constituency. The problem there is that about halfway through I found the results of a small number of constituencies with large number of candidates were missing the second pages of results, meaning some of the figures are inaccessible :s Number   5  7  16:52, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Done with the senators. Now it's needed to add the tables for deputies. Cambalachero (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Cambalachero (talk) 17:52, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Nice work! I might add the votes to the overall results table, as I think it's useful to have a national summary. Number   5  7  21:18, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Run-off
I checked this article from the Associated Press and they said then Mauricio Macro won the 2nd round/Run-off. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_ARGENTINA_ELECTIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-22-20-20-01 There's also French article from Le Monde and RTL who confirm Mauricio Macro's victory. http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/article/2015/11/23/en-argentine-le-liberal-mauricio-macri-remporte-l-election-presidentielle_4815218_3222.html http://www.rtl.fr/actu/international/argentine-le-liberal-mauricio-macri-emporte-l-election-presidentielle-7780601928 --Sd-100 (talk) 02:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The article reflects this too, but the percentages aren't being added until 100% of the votes are counted. It's currently on about 99%, so won't be long. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 03:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

"Results" section and what needs to be done
Might it not be better to split this section up now since it's getting rather long? Essentially make the current sub-headings into headings.

Also, are there any top priorities to be done now? I can volunteer some time tonight to this. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Went ahead and did that anyway. If anyone feels strongly against it, then please feel free to revert. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 00:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I feel it's preferable to have all the results under the heading "Results". I think the answer is to split the results by province to a separate article (which is done widely across other countries where detailed results are produced – e.g. Results of the Malaysian general election, 2013 by parliamentary constituency). Number   5  7  21:39, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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