Talk:2016 Formula One World Championship

ITN
Just a reminder that this article is listed at WP:ITN/R. However, it won't get posted whilst there is a maintenance tag on it. The referencing issues need addressing before it is removed. Mjroots (talk) 17:58, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Background colours
According to the FIA, drivers who fail to finish a race but complete at least 90% of race distance are classified. However, they are still considered DNFs. See the official classification for Austria 2016 as an example.

http://www.fia.com/file/44607/download?token=Yp5eZzQ1

Because these drivers were non-finishers, they should be coloured the same as other DNFs. This is distinct from non-classified finishers.

DrX au (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2016 (UTC)


 * They are already distinctly marked, it's what the cross is for. Since cars that are classified but fail to finish are treated the same as every other classified finisher (i.e, can score points and podiums), using the same colours as a retirement will be extremely confusing, particularly in situations where they have scored points. QueenCake (talk) 17:55, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Before we go any further, I think we should move this discussion to WT:F1 (or possibly even WT:MOTOR). This issue affects hundreds of articles and the discussion should not be held on the talk page of just one of them.Tvx1 20:16, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Why is it confusing? The cars in question actually were retirements. For example Perez crashed out in Austria. The colour key says blue is for non-points finish or not-classified finish. Purple is for DNF / retirements. According to the FIA, 17th-20th places in Austria were DNFs. Therefore the blue background is incorrect.

If other pages have incorrect entries, they can be fixed on a case-by-case basis. DrX au (talk) 21:13, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem is that not every classified non-finish is a non-points (i.e. blue) position. For instance, what would you suggest we do with the Monaco results on 1996 Formula One season?Tvx1 22:49, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Monaco 1996 - 5th and 6th place were classified but didn't finish. If green is for points finish, then they've been coloured incorrectly. They are non-finishers and should be purple with a symbol and footnote. This accurately reflects their race result - DNFs. DrX au (talk) 23:05, 29 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The colours as used are fine as they are. Purple is used for retirements but that is overridden when a driver is classified, so he gets the blue background. It's most definitely overridden when they score points, and they get a green background. It's really pretty clear. That's how it was designed. If there's any confusion for some people, they key can be reworded rather than trawling through thousands of articles dicking around with colours. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:13, 29 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The colouring of the table is determined by template:F1 driver results legend 2, according to WP:F1 convention. There is no text list or table of finishing types with their corresponding colours. According to the original template, purple is for DNFs (classified or not), and blue is for non-points finishers (classified or not). The argument is about whether a driver who was classified can be considered to have finished the race or not. The FIA says that he didn't finish. Who are WP editors to override that?


 * Why is this even a point of contention? Purple means "Did not finish". The FIA official classification say that places 17-20 in Austria 2016 were DNFs. They did not finish, therefore they should be purple. Their classification is secondary to that, hence the footnote.


 * A classified non-finisher is not the same as a non-classified finisher, in fact it's the opposite. So why should it be the same colour?


 * If WP editors have a problem because articles contain errors that they missed, or the original conventions have not been correctly applied, then that's too bad. Errors should be corrected, instead of rewording the conventions to be consistent with the erroneous entries. You have to start somewhere. DrX au (talk) 23:57, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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Season results needs changing
The format of the results by team needs changing back to how it is on EVERY OTHER F1 wiki page. Whoever changed it has destroyed it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.36.34 (talk) 15:18, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What don't you understand about it? --Falcadore (talk) 03:16, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's the same format as every year since 2014. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:10, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, the 2014 onwards table loses the visual pattern of the points allocation, the current two rows may as well be replaced with a single number for WCC points scored per round rather than a row for "the second placed car for that team" who unless you refer to the Driver's table you can't work out. Prior to 2014 the table was instantly more informative as you could see which car was, say, suffering more retirements within the same team. Ei2g (talk) 14:20, 30 December 2018 (UTC)