Talk:2016 Kumamoto earthquakes

Copy & paste move
This needs to be rectified ASAP. I'm at work right now so unable to help. Dawnseeker2000 17:23, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * @Dawnseeker2000: Please see the Moving a page. Thanks. --Idh0854 (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 15 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Non-controversial move to properly denote that the subject covers multiple earthquakes that occurred in rapid succession. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:35, 15 April 2016 (UTC) ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:35, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

2016 Kumamoto earthquake → 2016 Kumamoto earthquakes – wrong aticle moved by Dawnseeker2000 Idh0854 (talk) 18:51, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? Dawnseeker2000  18:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , I think thought you were the one who did the copy & paste.
 * I was hoping that they'd acknowledge their mistake. Dawnseeker2000  20:35, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Considering that there have been two separate earthquakes with magnitudes above 6, I'd think the plural "earthquakes" would be more proper. I acknowledge that my method of moving the page earlier was incorrect (and for that I apologize), however I believe the page should have remained moved. BearGlyph (talk) 19:21, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


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Link to Japanese article?
Top of the page says we can use the corresponding Japanese article. None are listed on the left. --120.138.182.102 (talk) 00:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed the problem at Wikidata. --George Ho (talk) 01:08, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The Japanese page is now reporting the earthquake as 7.3 (Provisional value), updated from 7.1. Their source is this "「平成28年(2016年)熊本地震」について(第7報)." Would it be possible to change the page to reflect this. Part of the problem is that the Japanese page relies on JMA, this page seems to rely on USGS. There needs to be some sort of consistency in this. Kittybrewster Kid (talk) 12:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 16 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. I must have overlooked the zoom-in map. George Ho (talk) 21:07, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

2016 Kumamoto earthquakes → 2016 Kyushu earthquakes – The whole island, Kyushu, must have been affected twice. Therefore, it's no longer about just one prefecture. George Ho (talk) 01:00, 16 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Here is the list of ALL relevant seismic activity in the region: Earthquake Information. It gives the precise location of the epicentre for each. In English, the JMA are calling it "The 2016 Kumamoto Earthquake" at this time, and have set up a portal, naming it as such, though it does seem to have been set up prior to the bigger earthquake. However, they HAVE changed names in the past. It is worth noting that the JMA are reporting a 7.1 earthquake with several stations reporting JMA Seismic activity 6+ and 6- (on the Shindo scale). At 08.00 (UTC+1), 16th April, NHK World were reporting it at 7.3, as are the BBC and Reuters. You will also note that more than half of Japan was affected in one way or another (but not as the epicentre of related earthquakes). I would want to question whether is is a good idea to rename it away from anything that the JMA call it. I oppose the suggestion. Kittybrewster Kid (talk) 08:30, 16 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose per sources given by Kittybrewster. Naming conventions for earthquakes can be a little haphazard, so when there's an official source for a name (JMA) we should go with it. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 09:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose Kyushu is a big place. These earthquakes aren't really affecting Nagasaki, Kagoshima, and most of Fukuoka. --Tocino 15:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * On this point various news sources have been reporting on the news that the earthquakes were following the line of the Beppu–Shimabara graben which may have been activated (rift zone). This is much narrower than the whole of Kyushu. It merely confirms my decision to oppose the move as stated above. Kittybrewster Kid (talk) 16:21, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Beware, admins: this is a double vote. George Ho (talk) 20:30, 16 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose as per reasons given aboven by others. Wykx  (talk) 16:42, 16 April 2016 (UTC)


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Death-Toll from First Quake
Its not confirmed by Japanese news, that the first quake killed 10 People. I think englisch medias round up the Death toll from 9 to 10. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.24.225.247 (talk) 16:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Overview
Extract out of http://geofon.gfz-potsdam.de/eqinfo/list.php Origin Time                    Latitude       Longitude       Depth             Flinn-Engdahl Region Name (*1) UTC 	               Mag     degrees         degrees         km

2016-04-20 12:19:45 	5.8 	37.78°N 	141.56°E 	47 	M 	MT 	Near East Coast of Honshu, Japan 2016-04-19 11:47:05 	4.9 	32.57°N 	130.54°E 	10 	C 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-19 08:52:15 	5.3 	32.53°N 	130.55°E 	10 	C 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-19 07:23:14 	4.8 	30.80°N 	138.61°E 	377 	C 		Southeast of Honshu, Japan 2016-04-19 02:02:38 	4.5 	33.40°N 	138.97°E 	242 	A 		Southeast of Honshu, Japan 2016-04-18 20:32:46 	4.7 	42.29°N 	143.04°E 	62 	C 		Hokkaido, Japan Region 2016-04-18 11:41:59 	5.5 	32.99°N 	131.11°E 	10 	C 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-17 23:35:43 	4.6 	32.84°N 	130.69°E 	10 	M 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-17 11:34:34 	4.6 	35.32°N 	140.83°E 	43 	M 		Near East Coast of Honshu, Japan 2016-04-17 10:23:41 	4.7 	32.61°N 	130.69°E 	9 	M 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-16 15:14:53 	4.7 	32.88°N 	131.08°E 	10 	A 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-16 12:05:06 	4.7 	32.78°N 	130.60°E 	10 	M 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-16 07:02:02 	5.1 	32.72°N 	130.63°E 	10 	C 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-16 05:27:05 	4.6 	32.69°N 	130.72°E 	10 	M 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-16 05:03:58 	4.6 	32.94°N 	131.15°E 	10 	M 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-16 02:02:52 	4.8 	32.79°N 	130.65°E 	10 	A 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-16 00:48:32 	5.2 	32.84°N 	130.77°E 	10 	C 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-15 23:20:42 	4.7 	32.73°N 	130.71°E 	10 	A 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-15 22:23:55 	4.9 	32.79°N 	130.70°E 	10 	A 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-15 22:11:40 	4.8 	33.20°N 	131.38°E 	10 	A 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-15 18:55:54 	5.5 	32.96°N 	131.16°E 	10 	C 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-15 18:03:12 	5.2 	32.95°N 	131.00°E 	10 	C 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-15 16:45:56 	5.7 	32.93°N 	130.90°E 	10 	M 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-15 16:44:07 	5.4 	32.71°N 	130.81°E 	15 	M 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-15 16:25:06 	7.0 	32.73°N 	130.71°E 	10 	C 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-14 20:10:37 	4.8 	32.83°N 	130.71°E 	10 	M 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-14 18:29:16 	4.8 	36.17°N 	141.90°E 	10 	M 		Near East Coast of Honshu, Japan 2016-04-14 16:53:02 	5.0 	32.71°N 	130.81°E 	12 	M 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-14 15:34:18 	4.7 	32.68°N 	130.82°E 	10 	C 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-14 15:25:39 	4.7 	34.14°N 	138.26°E 	261 	C 		Near S. Coast of Honshu, Japan 2016-04-14 15:03:50 	6.0 	32.58°N 	130.82°E 	21 	C 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-14 14:43:41 	5.0 	32.69°N 	130.73°E 	10 	C 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-14 13:38:44 	4.8 	32.65°N 	130.78°E 	10 	C 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-14 13:07:35 	5.4 	32.78°N 	130.76°E 	10 	C 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-14 12:42:27 	4.8 	33.26°N 	130.65°E 	10 	M 		Kyushu, Japan 2016-04-14 12:26:37 	6.1 	32.79°N 	130.62°E 	21 	M 	MT 	Kyushu, Japan

2016-04-13 04:46:40 	4.6 	37.22°N 	141.97°E 	26 	M 		Near East Coast of Honshu, Japan 2016-04-12 19:26:53 	4.8 	29.42°N 	130.60°E 	10 	C 		Ryukyu Islands, Japan 2016-04-12 19:04:43 	5.1 	29.37°N 	130.50°E 	10 	A 		Ryukyu Islands, Japan


 * (*1):Flinn–Engdahl regions

Events with magnitude 6+ marked with *

Latest Data
I would go tend to go with data from the JMA. It's local (within Japan), governmental, and kept very up to date. I felt a rumble in my house (I live in Oita Prefecture) and it was listed here within 3 minutes. Jabberjawjapan (talk) 23:13, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * All notable Services should be instant up-to-date, except manual revision which may last a bit. In fact better results may base on using near stations, so feel free to make overviews from JMA as well. --Itu (talk) 15:28, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Location of the epicenter
I modified two descriptions concerning the epicenter of April 16 main shock. 1. "beneath Kumamoto, the capital city of Kumamoto Prefecture on the island of Kyushu" --> "around Kumamoto City of Kumamoto Prefecture in Kyushu Region" 2. "under Kumamoto, on the island of Kyushu in southwest Japan" --> "under Kumamoto Prefecture in Kyushu Region in southwest Japan" These two descriptions may cause misconception as if the epicenter were located precisely beneath the land (i.e. not in the sea) of Kumamoto City, for which I have not found any source in Japanese. The former description may have been made due to mistranslation of "熊本地方" ("Kumamoto area") in a JMA document. Actually this word refers here to a part of Kumamoto Prefecture which consists of about 30 20 municipalities, not just 熊本市 (Kumamoto City). We Japanese people use "九州" ("Kyushu") often to refer to the region consisting of the main island, the surrounding small islands and the nearby seas. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 16:40, 17 April 2016 (UTC). -- I replaced the source. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 18:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Shindo number?
I don't know what the general consensus is on this issue, but should we mention the Shindo numbers? For example, the main shock was a 6強 intensity, I believe. Izmik (talk) 18:38, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Casualty numbers
The recently added source gives 273 deaths for this earthquake sequence. Other sources give much lower numbers, with a report from the Japanese Red Cross dated 17 May 2016 giving 67 deaths and one missing and 1,659 injured. This is consistent with this scientific paper from 2018, which gives 69 fatalities. An analysis published in 2020 states that there were 272 deaths, but also says that "The number of certified disaster-related deaths from indirect causes (e.g., venous thrombosis, PTSD, and stress during evacuation, exacerbation of symptoms among hospitalized patients, and suicide) was 4 times higher than the number of deaths caused by the earthquakes directly". The source cited by that last study gives 273 deaths and 2,809 injuries, of which 1,203 were serious, but gives a breakdown of the 273, including 5 associated with heavy rain in June. I think that it's fine to use the 273 number, as long as we make it clear that this includes indirect deaths. Mikenorton (talk) 12:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)