Talk:2017 Iranian presidential election

Map Colours
It looks like the map detailing the percentage votes is missing colours for each of the candidates. Its currently fully grey. Im not sure how to fix that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Typon (talk • contribs) 16:41, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

About abusive deleting actions in this article.
Hi, my username is TheSimorgh and I want to signal a abusive and unethical attitude of which acts as a censor in this article by deciding who is officially candidate and who is not enough legitimate to be referenced in it. At the base this article is public information one. So why and by which superior wright this man decides who must be kicked off the list even he his official declared and official announced by its official political website. The information I'm fighting to write in this article is verifiable, and moreover, verifiable to the official institutions of Iran so who is to censure informations and who he is to decide that only people he decides are officially named in this article ? I demand the mediation of an administrator that I'll respect the decision. I don't violate in any way rules of wikipedia. So I demand that this point be mediated. And I already demanded to an administrator to interfere in this editing war between "Pahlevun".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Adam_Bishop#About_vandalism_on_the_article_of_Presidential_Elections_in_Iran_2017

Thanks as advance.

Best regards.

--TheSimorgh (talk) 16:44, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

About advertisment using wikipedia.
Sir,

I hope you'll respect this statement as much as you ask for respect of your own "ad" within the article related to the Iranian presidential election, 2017.

The website you're using is a primary source. I said "your" website on my talk page, because it seems that your only intervention here is about promoting the candidacy of one specific candidate. Why aren't you promoting any of the 36000 or so on other possible candidate? I believe it's related to the fact that it is, actually, your website.

Now, about your "Ayyaran political group". I said that it was non-existent. You ask to refer to "official". Any political group has activities, activities leaving proof of its existence online (aka, meeting, like the ones organized by the Turkish government for the recent poll about changing their Constitution), primary and secondary sources (meeting announcement, summary...).

A google search will allow anyone to make his opinion about your so called "group". Except if a food chain can be considered as a political activity, no "group" using the Ayyaran name was created since the 12th century.

Not to mention that you're claiming that the said political man "risked his life for his country". Any kind of such self-sacrifice leaves official records. Records that again, you can't find online anywhere. Strange, isn't it?

So I was not doing any kind of "censorship", despite the fact you're claiming it. Nor was Pahlevun. And the only reason I stopped editing the topic is that I don't like loosing my time. Since you've decided to vandalize the page about the Iranian political election, there's only so much I can do as posting here those few words.

Cheers Reza Fariborz (talk) 18:28, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Sir

With all due respect, I'm sorry that you don't know about Ayyaran Group existence. I don't know who you pretend to be to consider your knowledge about Iranian politicians but in any important political group of Iran people know who Ayyaran are. In few days its candidature will be officially relied and I'll be very happy to see you admitting your ignorance. That's not my website, and I'm not linked to Ayyran group except by the fact that I relay their candidature at this election. To which political group you are you linked ? Because if you have an opinion can you consider your contribution as impartial ? You do know that's not true. You know Sir, real politicians, those who changes things, those who acts in the shadow and risks their lives can't use their time for mediatical view they don't have time for this and that's not their goal. There's anywhere a public report about politic activities that concerns security and life risking for this you're wrong. It's a job to be a mediatical politician. And it's another one to be just a politician who acts for its country. That group and that politician acted discretely since 40 years, not for their own public satisfaction but only for their country. Today their founder decided to involve himself as candidate. That's must be respected even if he doesn't comes from the mediatical scene. Do you think that a fake candidate could use it's own name and pretend to be recorded in the Iranian embassy of France as declared candidate ? It would be too big to be true... You'll have the occasion to see that you was wrong. Sincerely Best regards. The Simorgh (by an other way of connecting, because even they blocked me I did have to answer you just by respecting you.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.90.21.178 (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Sir,


 * I don't know who you pretend to be to consider your knowledge about Iranian politics either. You act like you know things better than me, or anyone for that matter, and I wonder why ? I mean, who are you to decide who’s a "real politician", and who isn’t ? Or to claim that I’m not impartial ? I have Iranian ancestry, and I don’t plan on "admitting" anything. You say "In few days its candidature will be officially relied and I'll be very happy to see you admitting your ignorance.".


 * I’ve seen that you’ve written a full article about this man, that was deleted, due to lack of sources. Not only that, but I’ve checked your complain about it (link here), and translating trough babelfish the following sentence "A l'heure actuelle je souhaiterai pouvoir réécrire cet article car les agences de presse ainsi que certains services officiels m'ont demandé que cet article existe afin de le relayer sur certains sites officiels.", I still think you’re using wikipedia as a mean of advertising for this specific individual.


 * (The translation by babelfish gives: At the moment I would like to be able to rewrite this article because the press agencies as well as some official services have asked me that this article exists in order to relay it on some official sites.)


 * I also think it’s your website, and that you’re connected to the man you’re trying to advertise (either you’re the man himself, or family, or someone being paid to do this job). And despite what you may seem to think, I’m not "linked" to any particular group, and I don’t intend to be. In fact, not everyone has to be linked to a political group. It’s called lyberty.


 * Even people who’re working "discretely" have proof of their activity. Putin worked in KGB, Bush as DCI, it’s common knowledge today, and as soon as Putin started in politics, his former career was known. The fact that you don’t have a single reference online about any kind of activity for this so called "group" says enough about their "actions".


 * Actually, in France, the last "real" political activity by an Iranian "official" group working "in the shadow" was the murder of Shapour Bakhtiar, in 1991, by VEVAK. In the end, everything leaves proof of it’s own existence. So far, the "Ayyaran Group" exists only on your website (List of political parties in Iran)…


 * Now, even if this man exist, and is a candidate using his "own name"... As I told you before, there was 36000 candidates for the Presidential election in 2009. And after checking your only "source", I still think that this man is nobody, and that he shouldn’t figure on wikipedia.


 * A single extract from the site you’re calling a "source": "In France, he obtained a doctorate in Phytotherapy in 1987 and was also an assistant to several surgeons in the operating room, in various clinics.". There’s no phytoterapy doctorate in France (only something called "diplôme universitaire", the first sentence there explaining that on the contrary of the UD, the doctorates, masters and licences are recognized by the State), and to be in an operating room, even while there’s an ungoing surgery, doesn’t give you a doctorate.


 * So… Let’s make a summary of your "source". The founder of a non-existing group, who’s ancestors also founded 18 no-more-existing villages and made a single (uncredited, of course) collaboration for a translation work, and who’s owning a non-existing diploma, and have assisted various unnamed surgeons with the said highly-valued non-existing diploma, is candidate to the Presidential election in Iran based upon a program that "will be published soon"…


 * Anyway, you’re missing the point. This man may or may be not real, that’s not the problem. From my point of view, and considering the lack of informations, this candidacy is a hoax. And even the most impartial point of view would be that at best, it is not a hoax and the person is real, but it lacks reliable sources and it should be removed anyway.


 * I have waited the end of the editing ban to answer you, as I respect the administrative team. And I respect your opinion, too. But, so far, three people have published their toughts about the situation. Yourself, me, and the member Pahlevun (who, like me, disagree with you). So, as it’s clear that we’ll not find an agreement upon the situation, please note that I’ll request a formal mediation.


 * Cheers

Reza Fariborz (talk) 05:48, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Stop the strife
The candidate being added (Hossein Homayoun Fard Mohammad Abadi) requires a WP:RS source to validate the fact that he is standing for the election. A quick look at the candidate's personal website which is being used as a reference indicates a case of circular referencing, with the website citing and linking the Wiki Page to show that he is contesting the election. The user adding the particular candidate's name (TheSimorgh) therefore seems to have a WP:COI in adding the said person's name to the Wiki page (he also created the candidate's now deleted wiki page Hossein Homayoun Fard) so as to maintain the circular referencing. This user is also edit warring with Reza Fariborz who seems to be adding random things to the talk page to belittle the candidate, though he seems okay other than that. I have subsequently warned TheSimorgh on his talk page against adding the candidate's name again without proper references. Jupitus Smart  09:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Sir. I have removed what I think you've called "random things" (mainly two links who were not in relation to the discussion). The rest I believe are properly used as references to illustrate my point. And to answer to your comment on TheSimorgh's talk page, of course, I wouldn't reverse an edit that is properly sourced. Thanks for your time. Cheers Reza Fariborz (talk) 18:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)


 * You probably are not very fluent in English, . I didn't ask you to remove any 'random things' (and incidentally you have not removed any of the 'random things' I was referring to). And I did not leave any question for you in TheSimorgh's talk page. Anyway just don't go for futile edit wars and there is nothing more to be said or done as of now.  Jupitus Smart  05:01, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Hashemitaba's party
This is a 2014 interview with Hashemitaba and he is saying "he is not member of a party" and "just he helped for the ECP establishment". GTVM92 (talk) 12:45, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Which part does say that exactly? Pahlevun (talk) 13:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * چرا حزب کارگزاران تاسیس شد؟ "به همین دلیل بنا بر این شد که یک عده از وزرا حرکتی ایجاد کنند که مردم را برای حضور در انتخابات ترغیب نماید و این شد که حزب کارگزاران تاسیس شود. من هیچ وقت عضو حزبی نبودم اما بنا بر دلیلی که گفتم همراه با تعداد دیگری از وزراء عضو حزب کارگزاران شدم." GTVM92 (talk) 13:18, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * چرا حزب کارگزاران تاسیس شد؟ "به همین دلیل بنا بر این شد که یک عده از وزرا حرکتی ایجاد کنند که مردم را برای حضور در انتخابات ترغیب نماید و این شد که حزب کارگزاران تاسیس شود. من هیچ وقت عضو حزبی نبودم اما بنا بر دلیلی که گفتم همراه با تعداد دیگری از وزراء عضو حزب کارگزاران شدم. Pahlevun (talk) 17:03, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Colours
What do you think we change the colours in inbox to the colours that candidates' campaign are use and also ippo used it for the candidates? GTVM92 (talk) 18:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * IPPO used green for Jahangiri and yellow for Raisi. What colours do you propose for each candidate? Pahlevun (talk) 06:46, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * As campaign logo of Raisi is yellow, I think it's his campaign logo. Jahangiri has not a campaign but I think green is a good colour for him because of Rouhani's campaign colour is pink and green and we used pink at the article, so Jahangiri is part of Rouhani's campaign. GTVM92 (talk) 10:33, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * So you are determining on the colours by yourself and this means that the clours are not clear for anyone except for Rouhani. Pahlevun (talk) 12:43, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

ippogroup opinion polls
They start at -5%. Is this a political comment, or just negligence?

Darcourse (talk) 09:31, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

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