Talk:2017 in American television/Archive 1

Orphaned references in 2017 in American television
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Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2017
Barney And Friends Channel Same Pbs Kids Return Date March 2 2017
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  05:41, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2017
There should be a change for February 28 regarding Sinclair Broadcast Group's launch of the Charge! diginet and the backlash it has received from viewers of the networks it replaced (Grit, getTV, MeTV). 174.19.235.212 (talk) 16:43, 1 March 2017 (UTC) More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2017
Please add an event that says on March 31, Comcast will restore YES Network after not being on the provider for over 16 months. Here is a source:. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:6530:7E2B:FDE4:B4DA (talk) 19:31, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done. TomCat4680 (talk) 22:46, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Live for Now (Pepsi)
Should this article mention the Live for Now (Pepsi) commercial? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:24, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I added it. TomCat4680 (talk) 20:33, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:08, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2017
On October 1, 2017, Centric will be rebranded as BET Her. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:28A9:5F2B:D0A0:813C (talk) 00:26, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The entry can be renamed after it has officially been, there is no point adding something such as to be renamed to... etc. —   IVORK  Discuss 04:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2017
Hulu launched a live TV service yesterday; I think it should be added here. 38.134.113.9 (talk) 13:25, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, this has been added. Altamel (talk) 04:57, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2017
I have an event for February 2. On that date, A&E Networks made a deal with the National Women's Soccer League to air games on Lifetime. For more information, see National Women's Soccer League. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:D6A:CC2B:F915:52DC (talk) 16:22, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg I added it. TomCat4680 (talk) 23:24, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

The Gifted link
change ((The Gifted)) to ((The Gifted (TV series)|The Gifted)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4304:E6B0:218:8BFF:FE74:FE4F (talk • contribs)
 * Yes check.svg Done - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 14:41, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2017
The television channel Fusion will be changing its name to Splinter on July 24. Also, The Guest Book will premiere on August 3 on TBS. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:B979:5F90:327A:8B1 (talk) 15:26, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2017
I found sources for my previous edit request:
 * Fusion is changing its name to Splinter on July 24:.
 * The new TBS series The Guest Book premieres August 3:.

2601:8C:4001:DCB9:2506:132D:4CD4:3479 (talk) 15:38, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 02:04, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017
Simple spelling error for the June 2 event: "Maker would express regret at his choice of words in the interview." "Maker" should be "Maher". 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:5C5B:C5AB:682:6E59 (talk) 21:51, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2017
Fore the event on July 31, there is a change I would like to note for Travel Channel:
 * Before: Expected to be finalized by the first quarter of 2018, the deal will result in the combined company – which would encompass more than 20 domestic and international television networks, most of which are educational or lifestyle-oriented, including Discovery Channel, TLC, Animal Planet, OWN, HGTV, Travel Channel and Food Network – controlling a 20% audience share among ad-supported U.S. cable channels, and operating five of the 20 highest-rated cable networks among female viewers.
 * After: Expected to be finalized by the first quarter of 2018, the deal will result in the combined company – which would encompass more than 20 domestic and international television networks, most of which are educational or lifestyle-oriented, including Discovery Channel, TLC, Animal Planet, OWN, HGTV, Travel Channel (which ironically was owned by Discovery Communications from 1997 to 2007), and Food Network – controlling a 20% audience share among ad-supported U.S. cable channels, and operating five of the 20 highest-rated cable networks among female viewers.

I do not have a source to prove Discovery's former ownership, but you can visit the Travel Channel article for more information. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:901C:81B9:CD7A:CD2A (talk) 03:42, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
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Hayley Geftman-Gold's name in article
311,000 Google hits say she's notable--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:16, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Not per WP:ONEEVENT. She's just a corporate lawyer who said something insensitive about a tragedy on Facebook and got fired. Hardly notable. TomCat4680 (talk) 20:43, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * We'll see-an executive of a major television network is the very definition of a public figure--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 23:49, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Not really. Nobody outside of CBS has heard of her until now. TomCat4680 (talk) 02:35, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

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Last Man Standing
Do we still list it as ended here despite being revived? If we should, why?--Harmony944 (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Cuomo Prime Time
This show, which was advertised on CNN as premiering this month, turns out to have had two trial runs, the first occurring in August 2017. So therefore, it should be listed in 2017 debuts, yes?--Harmony944 (talk, Twitter) 15:19, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Classifying Netflix films as “Television films”
I think Netflix, with The Little Prince, The Cloverfield Paradox, and Mowgli dropping from theatrical to Netflix distribution, and films like Sun Dogs going from film festivals to Netflix it’s getting harder to classify Netflix-distributed films as television films. Heck, 2018 in American television doesn’t even have a single Netflix film listed in its television movies. I think it would be best to remove the ones we have listed from 2015-17, but it definitely feels drastic enough to need consensus--Sarcathmo17 (talk) 01:29, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Page length
This page is 539,584 bytes long, which is far too big (see parallel discussion at Talk:2018 in American television)). What's the best way to subdivide it? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:33, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hold on, I just added about 6,000 bytes grabbing sources for the unsourced, but now I’m working through the notable events to separate sources into its own column on the table, while going through the sources for superseded and redundant sources. That could result in a significant cutdown. 2018 moved debuts to its own page, but I’d prefer holding off until everu month is gone through--Fradio71 (talk) 06:16, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That's certainly welcome, but it would only be another 10,000 bytes being cut. That would drop this article from sixth largest to ninth or tenth largest, so it would only delay the urgency of a split. Why do the references need to be in their own column anyway? Doesn't that just take up extra bytes? Onetwothreeip (talk) 06:24, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Just two, but the column was given the go-ahead in the 2019 in American television talk page, for consistency with 2018-20's pages. We could spin off debuts again to follow your precedent --Fradio71 (talk) 06:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Addendum: Even before debuts gets touched, Networks and services and Television stations are two sections still present here that aren't on 2018, where they were touched even before debuts, so I think that should get spun off first. Then take a look at where we'll be Fradio71 (talk) 06:55, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Addendum 2: I just cut nearly 6500 bytes from November alone. I still have 9 months left to cover. I think there might be an underestimation going on--Fradio71 (talk) 08:30, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

The page is now shorter, at 509,428 bytes, but still far too long. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:25, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow what an obnoxious way to put it. I managed to net a reduction of 30,000+ bytes, even while grabbing references, that while growing it, still actually improve the page, and the best response I can garner is “Shorter, but still too long”. But fine, if you’re going to split more off, Network and station changes is still on this page while 2018 split it off, so if you must, go for that next. But in return you must not demand more cuts from 2018 just because it’ll probably end up bigger than 2017--Fradio71 (talk) 22:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Please remain civil. Reductions in the size of the page are appreciated. The American television articles for 2013, 2017 and 2018 are certainly too large still. Onetwothreeip (talk) 00:04, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * "Not what was agreed to"? I'm not aware of making any agreement. I split the debuting programs section, as had been done with the 2018 article. Onetwothreeip (talk) 01:47, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You are not splitting the debut section again until I agree to it because clearly you act without the need for consensus. ”Please remain civil”? I was being civil. But I don’t have to bow down to every one of your whims while you go along making no concessions of your own. They are not “too large”. We are not going to split every section (or even all but one) into its own article just to justify your insatiable need to cut down the article. You will not police my tone or word choice just so you can do whatever you want without opposition. I am done conceding--Fradio71 (talk) 01:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The permission of any single editor is not required for anybody to make an edit. I made a legitimate edit which any editor may object to. My request for civility regarded you calling another editor "obnoxious". The case for splitting the section is simple, the article is too large, which is a problem for reading and editing the article. I did not make any agreement to split this section in exchange for something else, whatever that may be. Given that you have obstructed splits before, and every consensus has strongly concluded in favour of splitting, I appeal to other editors to restore the split I made. Onetwothreeip (talk) 02:05, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The only split that was mentioned was network and station changes, which had been split before debuts was on 2018. And yet you jumped the gun--Fradio71 (talk) 02:11, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I never mentioned that. Splitting the debuts section has now been mentioned here. There is no point in splitting the network changes from this article as it's much smaller than what the 2018 article had. Are you still objecting to splitting the debuts section from this article into its own article? Onetwothreeip (talk) 02:23, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Why shouldn’t I object?--Fradio71 (talk) 03:00, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It's a good split for the reasons I've outlined and I'm willing to talk about them further. I don't know if you're still objecting or not. From the edit summaries it seems like you were under the impression I had agreed to a different arrangement and that you don't object specifically to removing the debuts section. Onetwothreeip (talk) 03:13, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I wholly object to removing the debuts section at this point. Not when Network and Station changes can still be split first.--Fradio71 (talk) 03:46, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree that can be removed too. I just went for the debuts section first because it's bigger than the network changes. I don't see why they should only be done at certain times but it seems we agree to split both the network changes and the debuts from this article. Onetwothreeip (talk) 05:37, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You really aren’t listening--Fradio71 (talk) 05:53, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You're not clear. I agree with splitting the network changes too. Do you agree with splitting the network changes and then the debuts? Onetwothreeip (talk) 06:37, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

How am I not clear? After Network and station changes, splitting debuts is a last resort and should not be the automatic next step. You’re better off stopping after Network and station changes--Fradio71 (talk) 06:45, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Just gonna throw my opinion in here, I think the debut section should go first because it is the LARGER section of the article and the goal here is to REDUCE the size of the article. The Doctor Who (talk) 20:03, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That argument is idiotic. Splitting Network changes and television stations into its own article also reduces the size of the article. So why do hellbent on debuts?--Fradio71 (talk) 22:11, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Because debut is the larger section it is the more logical to split first. The Doctor Who  (talk) 22:21, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You also thought it was logical to try to accuse someone of owning a page when in reality they were just trying to defend the page from being ravaged any further. So maybe there’s a lapse in judgment on what’s logical--Fradio71 (talk) 22:36, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I accused you of owning a page because that's exactly what you [attempted] did. You have a really bad sense when telling if something is done in good or bad faith (as this was done in good but you explicitly stated that it was done in bad).  The Doctor Who  (talk) 23:33, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That is unacceptable sit. You owe me an apology.--Fradio71 (talk) 23:50, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No one owes you anything. Once again you do not OWN the page. The Doctor Who  (talk) 23:55, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has policies you refuse to follow. You think just because you disagree with me doesnt mean you can walk all over me and not take my complaints seriously. You cannot accuse me of taking ownership of a page and then revert my edits as if you own the page. That is hypocrisy and double standard.--Fradio71 (talk) 00:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not refuse to follow any policy, I did not walk all over you, and I did act is if I owned the page. You were the one acting against general consensus, you were the one who talked as if you owned the page, and you were the one who ordered me to apologize. So all I'm seeing here is that you were the only one who has done everything that you just attempted to accuse me of.  The Doctor Who  (talk) 00:21, 23 January 2019 (UTC)