Talk:2018–19 European windstorm season

Helene as first named storm
Helene didn't surpass the naming criteria of an Orange/Amber/Red alert for naming by the MO/ME, the name was from the NHC, I don't think it classifies as the first named storm of the season. Yes MO and ME did use the name in their media. There is also by far a greater amount of news describing Ali as the first named storm.Lacunae (talk) 08:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The criteria is that any storm is named if it has the potential of causing the issuance of an amber or red warning, not if it actually does. Storm Bronagh is now beginning to pass and the weather warnings for this system weren't raised above yellow at any point, although Bronagh has been probably more destructive than expected. The Storm Helene name was widely reported in the media and was mentioned in Twitter and other social media communications by the Met Office so I think the inclusion of Helene just about fits the criteria. Buttons0603 (talk) 00:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with the inclusion of Helene, what I object to is it being described as the "first named storm" when a majority of sources are naming Ali as such, and Bronagh as second.Lacunae (talk) 08:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion of Ernesto
What rationale is behind including Ernesto?Lacunae (talk) 13:55, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure either. Unlike with ex-Hurricane Helene, I'm unaware of anyone at the Met Office or elsewhere referring to a "Storm Ernesto" at any point so don't think it warrants inclusion here Buttons0603 (talk) 14:17, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
 * And I don't think merely the Daily Express reporting on "Storm Ernesto" is grounds for inclusion given their questionable track record. Buttons0603 (talk) 14:18, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I personally think it's inclusion is unnecessary as it didn't get an amber warning rating, no notable damage (if any) was caused and the Met Office never named it. Unless we keep this as a weak off-season storm? jxseph14 (talk) 01:55, 3 October 2018 (BST)
 * I've moved Ernesto material to Tropical cyclone effects in Europe which is more appropriate. Unlike Helene, it didn't give any context to named windstorms, and winds (like Helene) were not strong enough to be a windstorm in itself.Lacunae (talk) 12:08, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion of other systems
I know this discussion of Ernesto was a while ago now but I have just had an idea that we could at the end include an "other systems" section in a similar vein to tropical cyclone season articles (e.g. 2018 Pacific hurricane season), and this section could be used to briefly mention and outline any extratropical cyclones which were not officially a part of the season such as ex-Ernesto, any noteworthy extratropical cyclones that went unnamed because they didn't impact the UK/Ireland or France/Spain/Portugal (like Fabienne in Germany), etc. I have pressed on and added this section myself just now, but if you feel like its inclusion is inappropriate then feel free to remove it. Buttons0603 (talk) 21:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I think this is a successful inclusion.Lacunae (talk) 20:18, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Continued Inclusion of Ernesto
I understand that the Ernesto debate is long over. We agreed that it should be in 'Other Systems' section and it would have a hyperlink to the 2018 Hurricane Season. Blah blah blah. Its settled. I'm only here to say that I have noticed that someone without an account is continually adding Ernesto back in, sometimes pretty unsuccessfully. The article would only have storm names changed without changing the dates, making it factually incorrect, or they would break the hurricane bar chart. I am pretty new on wikipedia, and not entirely sure on what to do to stop this. Or is this a thing that happens a lot? Anyway just thought I'd mention it. jxseph14 (talk) 23:38, 21 November 2018 (GMT)

Storm Callum - Penarth Marina
This article by the BBC states that only the man died in Penarth, and it was "was not related to Storm Callum". So it's inclusion here may be irrelevant? PotentPotables ( talk ) 20:42, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes any mention of that death should be removed if it hasn't been already. Buttons0603 (talk) 19:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Tropical terminology creep
There's a fair bit of tropical terminology creep going on, for instance talk about eyes, windshear and landfalls, which should be avoided if possible.Lacunae (talk) 20:02, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I thought landfall was still considered acceptable terminology for extratropical cyclones? But I could be wrong there, and I will refrain from using that term in future if so. Of course, the other two should always be avoided. Buttons0603 (talk) 18:37, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * These systems can and do intensify after moving over land, so it's not quite as relevant as in tropical systems.Lacunae (talk) 14:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

European windstorm scale
right now wiki uses BF scale i would like to do a reqeust to switch it to this https://sites.google.com/site/europeanwindstormcenter/ewcscales BF scale kind of just stops at cat 1 windspeed, this could help a bit more. Joshoctober16 (talk) 07:39, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Wind speed track map data
Would it be appropriate, for purposes of continuity among pages, to create track maps for all windstorm season pages for which this it possible to? Although, we may have problems for earlier seasons, as https://www.ventusky.com/ goes back to just 2016. I don't imagine this to be a quick process, so is it really that important for the articles, other than for continuity? Would like to achieve a consensus! Thanks. RandomIntrigue (talk) 18:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * It would be possible, though with wind data only going back to 2016 (as I don't know of any other non-paid sites which maintain an archive of wind speeds). The locations of storms shouldn't be too difficult to find, either, though it would require more (often tedious) steps to get them. I'll look at it perhaps the upcoming week, depending on if time allows. Can't make any promises though. DarkShadowTNT (talk) 18:36, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Many thanks! RandomIntrigue (talk) 02:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)