Talk:2018 24 Hours of Le Mans

Legend
I would like to propose that the legends for the entries and reserve entries be combined into one, and then placed before the two tables (which shouldn't really be in separate subsections anyway). The combined legend would look like this: What does everyone think? -- Scjessey (talk) 14:54, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The reserve table does not require a legend for the class. Nine data points, with a column saying LMP2 or LMGTE Am.  Why would it need anything more?  The359  ( Talk ) 19:06, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said when I archived this discussion, recent edits rendered this idea irrelevant. Do you understand the concept of closing and archiving a discussion? -- Scjessey (talk) 15:24, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

The 911 RSR is not a 911 GT3
The link for the GTE Class Porsche 911 goes to the 911 GT3 page. The 911 RSR is not a 911 GT3. It is a purpose-built race car. See https://www.porsche.com/usa/eventsandracing/motorsport/racingcars/991-911-rsr/

Am0210 (talk) 02:58, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Eot Rule
Is it true that if the non hybrids laps fasters than the Toyota's they get a drive through penalty? Mobile mundo (talk) 17:37, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This talk page is for discussing improvements to the article, not for asking questions about the subject of the article. With that said, that doesn't sound accurate to me. Non-hybrid cars will likely have to make a few extra stops due to poorer fuel economy, so there's already a penalty of sorts. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:41, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that if it was true and it was a new rule it would be added in a changes from last year section.(Mobile mundo (talk) 22:18, 14 June 2018 (UTC))

Time/Retired versus Distance/Retired in results
In the hope that this won't sound overly nitpicky, when the results for this race become available, I would argue that the column iterating the finish should be Distance/Retired, not Time/Retired, as I have already done for 1923 24 Hours of Le Mans. (This honestly should be true for all Le Mans races to date.)

Le Mans is an endurance, not a sprint race; the winner is determined as the team to have traveled the longest distance over (number of laps in 24 hours elapsed time); see [] It makes sense to have a Time/Retired column in say, the Indianapolis 500, where the winner is the driver to complete 500 miles in the shortest period of time, and in fact, officially that winner IS listed by time (e.g. Will Power in 2018, 2:59:42.6365).

I'd argue that to properly show Le Mans finishes, a Distance/Retired column should look like this:

Doing it this way shows first 'the distance traveled by the winner', and then 'the time in which that was done', allowing for competitors on the same lap to be implied as traveling 'that distance' but in a longer period of time. Just a thought. Skybunny (talk) 20:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * But you're naming the column Distance, then listing cars on the lead lap by Time. And listing both for the race winner.  The359  ( Talk ) 04:30, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Content dispute
Please stop your edit warring. Discuss your content here. From my opinion, the chart does show more detail about the event. However, it may show too much detail, where it's a burden for readers to scroll down a lot to see the chart. INeedSupport(Care free to give me support?) 14:31, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The entry list has been removed from the article after the race results are posted as 90% of the information is made redundant by the addition of the results table. This has been repeated every single year for the past I-don't-even-remember-any-more years.  We have several good articles on the subject, none of which have an entry list table.  All had an entry list prior to the race that was removed after the race.  The information that was removed was either replaced with prose or can be easily found on the official PDF file entry list, which has been listed as a source in this article.  The only detail that is missing after the change is what series each car came from.  As Le Mans is not a round of any of those series except the WEC, the information is not as relevant as everything else that is listed in the race results.  The359  ( Talk ) 14:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not remotely as clear like this and removing it means there's no LeMans entry list on wikipedia (the one on the WEC page is, obviously, missing most of the cars) and the fact it's been done before is not a reason to do it. Far better would be to massively simplify the results and leave the entry list in place as they do in every season article on the site. More than once in the past I've come back to a year to try and reference an entry list and found a list ordered by finishing position rather than anything useful completely useless for the task. Duds 2k (talk) 14:44, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Everyone who entered the race is in the results table. I don't see how that's not clear. The only difference is it doesn't list which series the cars strem from. But that isn't very relevant here anyway. The only thing that matters is that we distinguish the classes which are actually scored (LMP1, LMP2, LMGTE Pro and LMGTE America). The actual entry list is in the article as a source. Click on the link if you want to read it.Tvx1 18:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a race, why would you be annoyed to find that the race result was listed in the order they finished? The emphasis is on the race result, not on the entry lists.  I sometimes want to know Toyota's best finished every year since 1985.  I might have to put in some effort to read and search to do it just because we don't have a nice little chart that tells me that information instantly.  We are not here to make any and all information available to everyone with ease.  And as Tvx1 clearly points out, the information you seek is freely available in an outside source, in exactly the way you wish to see it.


 * The fact that it has been done before establishes a precedent, and the fact that it is not featured in any of the GA-rated Le Mans articles further establishes that precedent. To change that precedent, you need something more than WP:ILIKEIT.  The359  ( Talk ) 16:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I've now blocked the person using 46.211 for a week for repeated block evasion. The article and talk page are protected for four days but if they edit before the weeks is up, anyone can revert and be exempt from WP:3RR. --Neil N  talk to me 15:12, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Why is the default to retain the disputed edit, surely the article should be restored to how it was pending the discussion? Duds 2k (talk) 15:27, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I reverted because the dynamic IP got an edit in before protection (they should've been blocked). I have no comment on content and you are certainly welcome to restore the material. --Neil N  talk to me 15:41, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but I think we both know what would happen if I did that Duds 2k (talk) 19:50, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't. To be clear, unless edit warring breaks out again, I have absolutely no intention of taking any other action. --Neil N  talk to me 20:09, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

The359 in an edit war, gee. What. A. Surprise. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 13:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)