Talk:2018 Women's March

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Redirects
I've redirected List of 2018 Women's March locations and Power to the Polls to this article. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Help with Adding Cities in NC
I have tried o add he cities in NC who have confirmed they will be having marches on 1/20/18 and I included links to the information yet my edits keep reverting thus removing the addition of North Carolina. I appreciate any help as I am trying to ensure everyone in NC knows that they can participate.

98.21.7.20 (talk) 18:26, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Sourcing
Leading up to the event, should I continue to replace inappropriate sources, such as official march websites and Facebook URLs, with "citation needed" tags? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:46, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * *sigh* This article is turning into a mess... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:SPS allows for official march websites though WP:SECONDARY is definitely better. I would not remove mention of a particular event from the article just because it's only supported by an SPS or primary source. I would tag it with cn with a &#124;reason= that explains that while a WP:SPS was provided that we need a WP:SECONDARY source. This allows for WP:AGF additions by people promoting the march in an area but not fully aware of Wikipedia's rules about sources. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 19:54, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

My bad on some of this; I didn't understand the convention on how to place official pages vs journalistic references. I've tried to correct this today; can you check the page over again? Manzanita Starwood (talk) 23:23, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

The current article is essentially a list of Action Network and Facebook event pages. I'll try to work on replacing sources in the near future. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:49, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

2018 numbers
Do we want to do a table like we did for the 2017 March? Numbers are going to start pouring in soon (if they're not out already) and the table works for the other page.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 00:45, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you proposing expanding List of 2018 Women's March locations, mirroring List of 2017 Women's March locations? See the section below if you have other thoughts. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:12, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Only just saw this now so the page just redirects, but I think it depends on how many rallies there were. I don't believe there are as many as last year, but they could still warrant their own page if there is enough. I'd be more than willing to help gather citations for numbers and such.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 03:54, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the table is a great idea while summarizing some content into prose.

The table generated by the editors for List of 2017 Women's March locations could be cut and pasted into a sandbox? All the states and cities, flags etc are already in table columns. We could just replace the dates, statistics, notes and references.Oceanflynn (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that could work, probably easier. We'd just need to eliminate who didn't march this year since I believe the number was down, but it would definitely be easier.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 06:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

List of 2018 Women's March locations
Is the current list of events worth converting into prose, or should we consider expanding List of 2018 Women's March locations? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I like the idea of conversion of some of the content into prose as the information is published and the discussion in the media evolves.Oceanflynn (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

✅ I went ahead and forked the list of cities over to List of 2018 Women's March locations, and invite editors to help with cleaning up both the list and parent article. I think improvements to the main article will be easier without the lists of cities. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:07, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Some updates to January 20, 2018
I added some updates and most recent RS so at least the lead reflects the present not the past. I updated some content in some sections. I think we have to remove much of the planned activities statements and their references? I left them the references for now.Oceanflynn (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism
I've requested temporary page protection due to persistent vandalism. Not sure if Crayaran's edits need to be hidden somehow, but they are quite hateful and inappropriate. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 06:00, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

... and please don't bother sending me notifications about the 3 revert rule. I can't see these additions in my watchlist and not immediately revert them. Thanks to other editors who are helping to revert vandalism. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 06:01, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Images from NYC
In case editors of this article would like to add some images, I just uploaded the first batch I took at today's March in NYC. More tomorrow. commons:Category:2018 New York City Women's March. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 06:51, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)


 * In case it's of interest to anyone, I went through the other 500 pics and uploaded a few more. Probably not lacking for pics for the article, but there are a couple decent ones in the bunch. I've already added two of mine to the article (one of which is now in the list), so will just leave it at that in case it's useful. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 23:36, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Citation needed for Washington D C
Noted a citation was needed so this NY Times Article stated that they marched to the Whitehouse about 4:30pm. It also estimates the crowd at about 500,000 people C. W. Gilmore (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks but, if I am not mistaken, this article is from 2017? The crowd was 500,000 in 2017. I am still looking for a 2018 source that gives more than a rough "thousands" who gathered. Organizers say there were fewer than in 2017.Oceanflynn (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You are correct, sorry C. W. Gilmore (talk) 21:04, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * From this year and state the march will go to Whitehouse. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 21:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Incorrectly cited numbers
The statement:

In Washington, D.C., about 300,000 demonstrators gathered at the Reflecting Pool at the Lincoln Memorial and marched to the White House.[12][263]

is false. Check the first citation. The headline is "Hundreds of thousands protest in D.C., across country". They mean hundreds of thousands across the country.

199.249.110.136 (talk) 17:52, 21 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for catching that. The Politico RS gave 300,000 as the crowd size in Chicago not Washington. My error; I'll fix it. I haven't found an estimate for Washington, DC just that it was less than the 500,000 gathered in 2017.Oceanflynn (talk) 18:21, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

numbers grew; hundreds of thousands, please correct

 * Hundreds of thousands protest in D.C., across country on women's march anniversary 01/20/2018 02:09 PM EST Politico.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.218.32.92 (talk) 20:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Impeachment March
The Impeachment March article is specific to the series of rallies held in July 2017. Does the prose in this article need clarification, or should there be separate articles for the 2017 and 2018 impeachment marches? I don't have a clear sense of how many impeachment marches were held this year, to know if a standalone article is justified. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually I think the corresponding section is off topic, Impeachment March under "See also" would be good enough. So far I've learned that there was exactly one notable participant worldwide, this page is lousy. –84.46.52.222 (talk) 03:19, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Temporary space for suggested RS citations re: crowd size, etc
The article is under major construction as the older section on planned events is being gradually replaced with the new section on participation. I suggest that some of the references can be added here temporarily until this is set up?Oceanflynn (talk) 19:34, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

I've added these suggested templates for first-time users...Oceanflynn (talk) 19:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

New Yorker


 * Add suggested references here:

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Tags
I removed the tags with this edit. It's unclear how the article is non-neutral and the cleanup for citations can happen without the tags, given that it's a recent event. Please let me know if there are any concerns. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't mind, and keep in mind, some of the tags may have applied to content moved over to List of 2018 Women's March locations. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:38, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Around 250 cities worldwide in 2018. 673 in 2017
There is some confusion in articles online (both mainstream press and otherwise) concerning the number of events in 2018.

This page is a 2017 map of cities, that says 673 cities:
 * https://www.womensmarch.com/sisters - You can tell it is for 2017 by clicking on any event, and seeing the 2017 year.

These pages have 2018 maps and lists of events and cities:
 * 2018 Women’s March Locations. By Erin Gistaro on Jan 12, 2018. Feminist Majority Foundation.
 * Women's March. (womensmarch.com) - This home page has a worldwide map of events. You can drag the map around. Click on any city, and then the event link, and you will see the 2018 date, location, and time for that event.

I copied the Feminist Majority Foundation list into freeware LibreOffice Calc, and then deleted all the columns except the city column. Then I copied and pasted it into a text file (freeware NoteTab Light). I sorted it alphabetically, and deleted anything that wasn't the name of a city. Then I used the paragraph counter in text statistics (tools menu) to see that at least 203 cities were listed on that USA list of cities.

Looking at the womensmarch.com map for the rest of the world comes up with around another 50 cities. I did not count them. I glanced just to make sure it aligned with what a couple articles mentioned for the number of cities worldwide. They both said around 250 cities worldwide in 2018: --Timeshifter (talk) 09:38, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Women’s March Draws Massive Crowds In Cities Across The Nation. By Chris D’Angelo, Emma Gray, and Alanna Vagianos. Jan. 20, 2018. HuffPost.
 * Second Women’s March draws huge anti-Trump crowds as the government shuts down. By April M. Short, on Alternet originally. Jan.22, 2018 on Salon.

Image criteria?
Regarding this edit summary: "-pictures of random people with no evidence of where they were marching; moved SF pic to gallery" -- since there's a separate page about locations, for which each location has its own dedicated space for a photo, why would location specificity be of utmost importance for this article? The reason I had added File:2018 Women's March NYC (00628).jpg, for example, was not because it's a good depiction of New York but because it's relevant to the "themes" section (which, presumably, is one of the things that will set this article apart from the list of locations). I have no objection to different images being used, but it seems like location specificity should be nearly irrelevant for most of this article except the locations section (and the locations article). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 23:50, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm copying what was done on the 2017 Women's March article, which has a gallery as well as a redirect to specific cities involved. The other article became a mishmash of photos that appeared to be parents/friends/people wanting to get a closeup of their kid/spouse/clever sign on Wikipedia, but they didn't really add encyclopedic content to the article, so they were trimmed. Pictures of generic crowds that have generic signs can't be definitively tied to this march; they could be for ANY march in a single or multiple locations, or for completely unrelated marches. Now having said all that, I don't feel it is of "utmost importance", it just seemed a logical arrangement to me. LovelyLillith (talk) 00:08, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

New Section under Theme
Hello!

I believe the section "Sexual Assault Advocacy" will be a great addition to Themes. Over the past few weeks, I have been updating Halsey's page. I think this would be a great addition. I am open to feedback.

Laurenabb (talk) 16:54, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Template:Women's March
I've created Template:Women's March and welcome improvements. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:21, 28 January 2019 (UTC)