Talk:2019 Austrian legislative election

Peter Pilz
The article now says that Peter Pilz is not party leader anymore, which is not true. He only said today that he will not take his seat in parliament after the sexual misbehaviour allegations against him. But this report here says, following a crisis meeting of future List Pilz representatives: "Ob Pilz den Parteivorsitz weiter ausüben will, wissen seine Mitstreiter nicht." ("His colleagues don't know if Pilz will remain party leader.") - Probably not, but this is not official yet. Source: http://www.salzburg24.at/peter-pilz-tritt-zurueck-krisensitzung-bei-liste-pilz/5127868 --The Pollster (talk) 15:03, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

European Parliament poll
2019 European Parliament election in Austria hasn't been created (yet), but there has been one poll: https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/EU-Wahl-wird-Polit-Krimi/347753699 Mélencron (talk) 12:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * +1: https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Umfrage-SPOe-jetzt-gleichauf-mit-FPOe/349483383 Mélencron (talk) 14:18, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * +1: https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1048517866822275072 (source?) Mélencron (talk) 16:24, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * +1: https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Umfrage-SPOe-wieder-vor-der-FPOe/356156690 Mélencron (talk) 20:41, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * +1: https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Umfrage-OeVP-wuerde-EU-Wahl-gewinnen/360148422 Mélencron (talk) 04:54, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * +1: https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Umfrage-Der-grosse-Kanzler-Test/363497987 Mélencron (talk) 21:13, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * +1: https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/75-fuer-mehr-Abschiebungen/365218781 Mélencron (talk)
 * +1: https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Umfrage-EU-Wahl-wird-zum-Krimi/367140956 Mélencron (talk) 22:38, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * +1: https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Strache-gewinnt-nach-Papa-Monat/368980577 Mélencron (talk) 13:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * +1: https://derstandard.at/2000098517532/Einstellung-zur-EU-deutlich-positiver-als-vor-fuenf-Jahren Mélencron (talk) 13:10, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * +1: https://www.elmundo.es/internacional/2019/03/07/5c8019ddfc6c83460e8b45c3.html – still no article for the European elections in Austria, anyone interested in creating one? Mélencron (talk) 03:45, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * +1: https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Umfrage-Rendi-rutscht-ab-FPOe-schon-Zweite/370910425 Mélencron (talk) 04:03, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm now maintaining a table here. Mélencron (talk) 04:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

"List Pilz" name change to "NOW"
The "List Pilz" has changed their name to JETZT ("NOW").

Everything on this page now [... ;-) ...] needs to be changed to "NOW".

https://derstandard.at/2000091708846/Liste-Pilz-heisst-jetzt-Jetzt

https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5532277/Klub-Liste-Pilz-nennt-sich-ab-jetzt-Jetzt

--The Pollster (talk) 18:43, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Infobox
There is no rule that only parties with parliamentary representation prior to the election may be included in the infobox. Indeed, there is no binding rule at all, which parties should be included and which should not. It is common practice to include new parties that have gained significant importance in the run-up to the election. In this case, there is a sensible reason to include the Greens: they have continuously polled over 4 percent for eight months and even around 10–12 % in recent opinion polls. They are therefore considered a major contender in this election. Moreover, the Greens do have parliamentary representation, as National Councillor Alma Zadić was elected for the Pilz List, but runs for the Greens in this election. --RJFF (talk) 18:06, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In a few recent elections we have switched to using Infobox legislative election to allow all participating parties to be displayed (e.g. Denmark). Once the competing parties are confirmed, perhaps this is a solution. Cheers, Number   5  7  19:54, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Electoral System
Can someone describe the electoral system a little better, perhaps giving an example of which level/stage you start at first? I simply calculated the sum of the votes above the theshold, divided that by 183 to get number of votes a seat is worth, and then divided each parties total vote by that number, and this seems to work just fine. But the section in the article seems to talk about first starting out at the regional level, then going to the state level, and then finally the national level. I'm not sure I understand. Is there a better way to word this to better show how one gets to the allocation of seats? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:59, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Anyone? --Criticalthinker (talk) 23:39, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

I found this (https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/Dokumente/Erv/ERV_1992_471/ERV_1992_471.html) with the relevant sections starting at Part V, but it seems so complicated. Could someone post an example of like an 9-seat parliament (with associated province and regional divisions) of 18 candidates or so (or even something much smaller) to show us the steps in how seats are calculated in the National Council? It would be ever so helpful to draw this out so that we can then make appropriate changes to the article to clarify the counting procedure. --Criticalthinker (talk) 03:09, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * In systems such as these I believe the allocation begins at lower levels (eg. regional or state) and subsequent levels are top-ups which correct any dis-proportionality that arises from the limited number of seats available at lower levels. I would imagine that a smaller party like NEOS therefore has most of its seats at federal or state level, whereas a large party like the ÖVP is mostly represented regionally. Maswimelleu (talk) 09:12, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand that, I was asking if someone would be kind enough to give me an example of a small parliament so I can see how things are calculated at each level. If it's not relevant here, than someone can hit me up on my personal talk page.  I want to understand the process and the steps. --Criticalthinker (talk) 19:23, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

A more simple way of asking this is how many seats were distributed in the first two stages of the election (local and state constituencies), and then how many more were left over for the national constitenuency, and how was that calculated? --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:07, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Here is the breakdown for all three stages of the votes-to-seats conversion process, called "Mandatsspiegel" in German, and state-by-state details: https://www.bmi.gv.at/412/Nationalratswahlen/Nationalratswahl_2019/files/Mandatsspiegel_17102019.pdf Also note that elected party members who enter the cabinet as ministers relinquish their seats in parliament, and that lower-ranked candidates on corresponding party lists (OeVP and Greens in 2020) then move up and fill those vacancies. These new members were sworn in (in parliament) shortly after cabinet members where sworn in by President Van der Bellen. The party lists are here: https://www.bmi.gv.at/412/Nationalratswahlen/Nationalratswahl_2019/start.aspx#bundeswahlvorschlaege WolfgangPeterStyria (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Government Formation
Hi. I notice this paragraph

"After the conclusion of the first round of talks, the FPÖ told Kurz that they would not continue the exploratory talks, but would consider re-entering negotiations should talks with other parties fail. Another round of exploration talks with SPÖ, the Greens and NEOS was then scheduled for Thursday, 17 October and Friday, 18 October"

seems out of date. Perhaps this source -- https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2019/10/19/the-return-of-a-political-wunderkind-results-of-parliamentary-elections-in-austria/ -- from October 19, which indicates there is the most in common between Kurz and Hofer, should be mentioned in some form.

I am still a relatively inexperienced user, so I am differing to others for their opinions.

Cheers! DouggCousins (talk) 22:39, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Pilz party
As the Pilz party failed to win seats, I don't believe it should be listed in the infobox (and it has not been included since the election took place, bar a couple of brief attempts to add it). Longstanding standard practice is to exclude parties that failed to win seats, and I don't see why this should be an exception. Number  5  7  14:48, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I think the PILZ party should be included in the info box. The PILZ party was represented in the parliament from 2017 to 2019. Because the party failed to re-enter parliament in this election, this should be displayed on the infobox. Cenbutz1 (talk) 04:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)