Talk:2019 Nevada killing spree/Archive 1

Corrected legal definition to "illegal alien" as codified in law.
Martinez-Guzman is an Illegal alien. The definition of an Alien and illegal are found within either 8 United States Code and / or the Immigration and nationality act. CNN is NOT the source and authority on law. The law dictates proper legal terms. An alien is a citizen or national of nation other than the US. If one comes to the US illegally (without inspection and admission at a port of entry) then they are by legal definition - and Illegal Alien. Martinez-Guzman entered the US illegally by walking across the border at other than a port of entry, and without being inspected or admitted. He is a citizen and national of El Salvador. Thus he is by definition an Illegal alien. Please stop making pc changes, particularly without any experience or knowledge of the law - let alone this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ICEERO (talk • contribs) 06:12, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "Alien" is a term in U.S. law. "Illegal alien," not so much.  Mention of a term in one U.S. statute does not enshrine it as official, nor mandate its use, even within the U.S. government.  (The current administration is trying to phase out the term "alien" altogether.)  The suspect's unlawful presence in the United States is already mentioned twice in the article.  "Illegal alien" is a contentious label, which is more inflammatory than informative.  Wikipedia avoids such labels and has a policy of neutral point of view.  The the suspect's immigration status deserves any more WP:DUE weight, it would need support from independent reliable sources like the aforementioned CNN or Associated Press (which has also deprecated the term). • Gene93k (talk) 08:53, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Gene - Illegal Alien is a term in Law, and yes within the government on official documents to include court cases a person illegally within the US who is a not a citizen or national of the US is indeed an illegal alien. Definitions and facts are not contentious - they simply are. It is not inflammatory and it is actually 100% informative. An Immigrant comes to the nation LEGALLY to live for an indeterminate period of time (again - by legal definition). The status is already verified as you admitted. Further - No legislation has been introduced to change the legal definition as you assert. Simply put - this is accurate legal language. Once again - keep your opinion out of the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ICEERO (talk • contribs) 4. April 2021, 17:06 (UTC)


 * Please provide a reliable independent source that specifically states "Martinez-Guzman is an illegal alien". Generic legal definitions are not relevant here unless they are applied specifically to the person in question by sources. Legal definitions are not relevant to an individual unless a RS makes the connection. WWGB (talk) 05:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Numerous articles cited within state that he is an illegal alien. ICE verifies this. The original statement as reported in articles from Sheriff Furlong of Carson City states that he was arrested on immigration charges. Not liking a term is not a reason to censor fact. The reasonable source is in the various articles over and over. FactsandTruthareKING