Talk:2020 Bangalore riots/Archive 1

Proposed merge of 2020 Bengaluru violence with 2020 Bangalore Riots
Both articles are about the same subject. Signature 08:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ This one seems to be better article, with pictures and more info. 2020 Bengaluru violence should be with this one.
 * "Violence" makes sense than "Riots", but the content in Riots sounds more matured. Hence request deletion of this version and then renaming. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 11:42, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ But these mergers would be complemented with Technical requested move regarding which the title of articles would be correct. I believe this RM would be technical, but will also be controversial if someone needs to move elsewhere, whether it is "Riots" with capitalised R, "riots" with lowercase R, or "violence". 114.125.245.112 (talk) 13:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 12 August 2020 (closed)

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. SerChevalerie (talk) 15:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

2020 Bangalore Riots → 2020 Bangalore riots – per other riots and civil disobedience articles, such as 1992 Los Angeles riots, 2020 Delhi riots, etc, word "Riots" should be all-lowercased as "riots" 114.125.245.112 (talk) 13:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 13:57, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment I believe This RM would be controversial because many realiable source refer it as "violence", my suggestion is this rm need to moved to the article's talk page. 36.77.95.4 (talk) 13:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a separate issue from downcasing the R in Riots though, which in and of itself shouldn't be controversial. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 14:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't believe this as just a violence, Riot is a form of civil disorder commonly characterized by a group ( in this case police has arrested SDPI leader and police has suspected PFI — Preceding unsigned comment added by Branstarx3 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy move, since the reason for contesting was unrelated to what the actual request was. Any changes to the title after that can still be discussed. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 14:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it's worth closing this now and going through with the move, despite someone moving to §Contested, simply because it appears what they were contesting was that this had "riots" instead of some other term, and not the substance of the request, which was a simple upper/lower case issue. If they want to request a move to something else after that, they certainly still can.  Thanks, –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 14:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Reversion of My Edit was unethical.

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
 * To keep discussion in one place, see the above section regarding religion and sourcing. (Note: This section was created by a topic banned user, subsequently blocked.) Woody (talk) 19:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

I added new development. Please re add

"Muslim leader announces rs 51 lakhs (as bounty)" https://m.timesofindia.com/videos/city/bengaluru/bengaluru-riots-muslim-leader-announces-rs-51-lakh-bounty-on-karnataka-mla-ra-srinivasmurthys-nephew/amp_videoshow/77537213.cms? Mr IndianCotton (talk) 10:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , could you please provide a better source? Times of India has been known to be somewhat problematic in the past. SerChevalerie (talk) 10:05, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Here and here. Please exercise caution while removing content. - Mukt (talk) 10:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Ibtimes isn't any better. And what significance does this to have to the violence caused? SerChevalerie (talk) 11:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * More: Times Now, The Hindu. Besides, you, should get a consensus that these all are unreliable sources before deleting their content, and remove other citations in this article from these news source or you are openly a POV-pusher. - Mukt (talk) 16:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

First the video provided in link is of that man only. His own words his own video. Secondly I can provide another entry. Probablly it will not have the words "Muslim leader" Point is since wikipedia loves slendering Hindus (Eg Delhi Riots) will it add the word 'Muslim' for the violence done by the community and further announcing a bounty for murder of the person by a "Muslim leader"(acc to blasphemy law of Islam, for derogating Muhammad)  Mr IndianCotton (talk) 10:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Striking comments by topic-banned user, why is he even here? SerChevalerie (talk) 11:11, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

I have added appropriate new development there is even an FIR against that person. Why are you vandalizing my content? Mr IndianCotton (talk) 11:40, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * How about a non Indian source?Slatersteven (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why non-indian media house will cover this that someone announced bounty ? Means why ? Non-Indian media has other thing to do in their own country as well    Branstarx3 (talk) 14:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why is there this obsession with using non Indian media sources? It is a local event which would be covered in depth by the local media sources, it is highly unlikely that non Indian media sources are going to cover each and every part of the event. Joshikamal (talk) 15:12, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * That is why, non local media have no horse in the race. Nor do we need "each and every part of the event" only the truly imnportant parts.Slatersteven (talk) 15:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Bad assumptions. Foreign media agencies often have their own agendas. Take Russian coverage of USA, for one example. Much of Pakistani media, for another instance, prefers to shine only sympathetic light on Indian Muslims, even where they are perpetrators of wrong-doing. - Mukt (talk) 19:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

please see WP:NEWSORG SerChevalerie (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2020
There are some points which have been missed out in the article, which has proper sources to back it as a proof. Natblida (talk) 12:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Such as?Slatersteven (talk) 12:15, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , ❌, which "points" are missed out? Which sources? SerChevalerie (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

The 2020 Bangalore riots was started by muslim community people and they also destroyed many Hindu houses and the temples inside it in the name of such outrage. Prerna Sharma97 (talk) 18:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2020
This was a clear case of communal violence. A specific community was offended with a facebook post and resorted to violence because of that. It CLEARLY needs to be mentioned that the MUSLIM or ISLAMIC Community did this because of their intolerant beliefs. 182.70.150.59 (talk) 13:31, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌, you don't state any reliable sources for your claim. Further, there is already a discussion above on the same topic. SerChevalerie (talk) 13:34, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Religion of the mob
Why the religion of the mob not mentioned, how weak a religion can be to not to hear anything dark about it? Mention the religion of the Mob so people in future can understand who can do such things. And what the basis to read articles on Wikipedia without know the mob exactly? Ajrock68 (talk) 13:42, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌, you need to state what exactly you want changed and to what and support it with reliable secondary sources. The article as it stands adequately covers the causes and those purported to be involved. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 13:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2020
The incedent is incomplete. The said facebook post was in replay to insult to hindu God. Please do research otherwise you this will cause hinduphobia 75.69.223.60 (talk) 16:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Source?Slatersteven (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Likely fake news, see https://www.altnews.in/was-the-derogatory-post-that-triggered-bangalore-riots-a-reaction-to-an-anti-hindu-post/ I don't know if altnews is reliable but Google throws this if I Google your claims. // Signature 17:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Signature 17:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2020
Add the religion of the rioting mob. The following AP news article clearly mentions it was Muslims: https://apnews.com/b20af05fe71fa745ca733e71de358ccf Historycorrector99 (talk) 16:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * We are discussing this very issue up thread. Before posting can people please check?Slatersteven (talk) 17:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Closing as it's being discussed – Thjarkur (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2020
Prerna Sharma97 (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC) Add - The 2020 Bangalore riots was started by muslim community people and destroyed many Hindu houses and the temples inside it.
 * see .Slatersteven (talk) 18:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: See the ongoing discussion above. Woody (talk) 18:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

The riots was started by a muslim mob to destroy and kill and were chanting "allah hu akbar"
2402:8100:303B:2B6C:1:2:183C:F0B7 (talk) 02:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

The subject is discussed more neutrally in the article, so I don't think there is any change needed. (I've collapsed your comment since it seems inflammatory, sorry.) —&#123;&#123;u&#124;Goldenshimmer&#125;&#125; (they/them)｜Talk｜Contributions 03:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Regarding

 * Most people interested in this news story are smart enough to figure out the 'religion' anyway so making explicit references is not really a value add. Of course Wikipedia could go that extra extent to simply state 'blasphemous social media comment on a religious figure' which caused a 'communal' situation leading to property destruction in a south Asian city- that way keep it much more civil, but most folk will make the required fill in the blank inferences anyway- that is unless of course we are discussing Gnostic or Mandaean rioters running amok . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.7.75 (talk) 09:23, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

We do not keep asking the same question until we get the answer we want.Slatersteven (talk) 12:02, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Religion of the rioters
Wikipedia has a similar article on Delhi 2020 riots and it's clearly mentions caused chiefly by Hindu mobs attacking Muslims. Why religion is not mentioned in this article? // Jagadish Verma (talk) 07:39, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ This riot happened after the Supreme court of India ruled out All India Muslim Personal Law Board over Ayodhya dispute and AIMPLB threatened for such incidents Branstarx3 (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ - the phrase "muslim mob" was removed. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 14:52, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Must add the religion of rioters here as done in the Delhi 2020 riots. YoloSCIS (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ - This is relevant to the article because the riots started because of the alleged facebook post which the mob found insulting their religion. Cwarrior (talk) 18:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)


 * What do RS say?Slatersteven (talk) 18:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - The lead currently states: Some of the crowds were also allegedly led by members of the Social Democratic Party of India (SDPI), an Islamist fundamentalist political outfit. What further change would you like to see in the "religion of the rioters"? Unless WP:RS specify in exact detail the exact religion of every single rioter, we cannot state it. And might I add,, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but the 2020 Delhi riots states the religion of the rioters so prominently only because it is sourced with high-quality third-party international sources. SerChevalerie (talk)
 * ✅, (You cannot vote twice)
 * User:SerChevalerie 2020 Delhi Riots was not actually religious, that article is already declared biased as it completely targets Hindus for riots without mentioning other side of the coin where Muslim Mobs were involved, hence violating WP:NPV also most of the references has been taken from media house which are known for their Left-ideology and Communism like The Wire (India) which has a section in news supporting Marxism also The Quint who literally printed morphed pictures of rioters in Delhi (muslims rioters who wearing skull-cap were cropped out from picture) , also article fails to mention about Shahrukh who Fired Gunshots at Police. Hence 2020 Bangalore riots is different from 2020 Delhi riots as in recent one Religion of rioters was only muslims (angry over facebook post) like Charlie Hebdo shooting in France Branstarx3 (talk) 00:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , you can't vote twice on the same thread. WRT 2020 Delhi riots, that article is well written (and actually covers all the points you mentioned, while sticking to WP:BLPCRIME), so if you have any issues with it then take it up on that article's Talk page. Also, please note that OpIndia has been banned on Wikipedia, so I have removed that reference.
 * Let's stick to talking about this article: which source clearly mentions the religion of the rioters? So far they mention about the SDPI, which has already been covered. If you actually read the Charlie Hebdo shooting, it mentions details about the perpetrators because they took responsibility for it.
 * What we know is that Muslims were upset over the Facebook post. But per WP:VERIFIABILITY, we can mention that "all rioters were Muslims" only if multiple third-party WP:RS state so. And even then we have to keep WP:DUE in account (which may or may not be a problem, depending on how the sources report it). SerChevalerie (talk) 02:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This is never going to happen, no media house in India would ever dare to mention that all rioters were Muslims as they care for their lives but they do for others like mention of Hindus even if they don't take responsibility any such, isn't this unfair and promotes Anti-Hindu sentiment ? Even in 2002 Gujarat riots there is no involvement of Narendra Modi in case as by Supreme Court of India still that article mention Narendra Modi while real accused are in Jails who were responsible but there is no mention about them, in 2020 Delhi riots the MLA Tahir Hussain (politician) himself accepted his crimes that he was one to plan Riot but instead Kapil Mishra is mentioned there still i will stick to talking about this article, so for this article i have no problem as by now but will update as early i get references (if there is some media house to report it, because the one who was reporting is banned for a reason OpIndia) Branstarx3 (talk) 03:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I have warned you before, please see WP:BLPCRIME before making such bold statements about people. SerChevalerie (talk) 03:34, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I did not get it how i am violating WP:BLPCRIME or i am making bold statements, even with citations ? Explain in my talk page please if i am violating this Branstarx3 (talk) 03:40, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Better to add religion of rioters as it was deliberately mentioned in Delhi 2020 riots. -Vijeth N Bharadwaj 06:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support: the mentioning of religion of rioters in lead and in other relevant sections within the article. I mean literally the whole violent agitation commenced after a Facebook post related to Muhammad, so definitely people of other faiths were not offended by this. (Facebook post causes offence to Muslims who go on violent rampage in Bangalore...) As of today, this article does not cover the subject neutrally and in a manner an encyclopedia should. There is not even mentioning of rioters trying to attack a Hindu temple, and, please save us time in arguing that those attackers were not Muslims unless some sources specifically say that as few do say that.--Deepak G Goswami (talk) 07:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅Mentioning religious demographics of the participants in a riot fueled by religious agitations, is absolutely crucial and should be included in Wikipedia. And we do have some reputable, reliable, independent sources. Eg. EuroWeekly News that explicitly state the religious demographics of the protestors. So yes, it should definitely be mentioned.  LΞVIXIUS  &#128172; 15:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * - None of the above "Agree" votes cite any sources for their claim that the rioters were exclusively Muslims; every single one of them is stating either their personal opinions or saying that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Barring proper third-party RS stating the same, it is impossible to even think of adding the "religion of the rioters" here. SerChevalerie (talk) 09:18, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's a reliable independent article that explicitly states the religion. Hope that helps. :) ~
 * In light of the AP source below, I change my vote to ✅. SerChevalerie (talk) 18:42, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Per one of the sources mentioned in WP:NEWSORG, AP report clearly cites the religion of attackers in the first paragraph itself. I think it is relevant to the article and thus should be mentioned as had been done in the past. Joshikamal (talk) 15:57, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ RS seem to mention it was Muslims, so not reason why we should not.Slatersteven (talk) 16:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Several reliable sources mention that rioters were Muslims, there is no reason to not mention it on Wikipedia. Sachin.cba (talk) 16:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Add religion of the rioters Ethical writer 99 (talk) 17:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Irrespective of if people will be canvassed here from other news portals. I don't believe there is a strong argument to not mention religion in the article, given it already had a religious undertone that sparked the incident. Most reliable sources coming from Indian origin, already mention it explicitly in their article.  Jim  Car  ter  04:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

The article is trying to make this a police brutality issue when it is not.
The reverts here are not giving a clear a picture of the riots.

It is important to say what caused the riots, in the first two sentences of the article.

"The clashes were provoked by a derogatory Facebook Comment on Muhammad allegedly replied for derogatory content about Hindu god Rama by the nephew of an Indian National Congress legislator. A group of people arrived at the residence of the state legislator in protest. It turned violent and later spread to the police stations of KG Halli and DJ Halli. The residence of the legislator was also torched during the period of violence."

The current version of the article is trying to put the blame on the "police" for the violence. Cwarrior (talk) 14:08, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , the current lead is more WP:NPOV. Can you suggest a change that follows what you say, while sticking to NPOV? SerChevalerie (talk) 14:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The change before was fairly concise and readable to me. I have suggested the paragraph above. Thanks. Cwarrior (talk) 14:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Please qualify the persona referred to by the offensive social media post as the 'Prophet', given that the proper name itself can refer to millions of ordinary persons with the same name and can sound immature on Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.7.75 (talk) 08:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

The cause of the riot is not clearly stated. The investigation are stating that a comment had caused the riots. The comment was in response to original post which was abusing Hindu God. The Wikipedia article does not mention anything about it. Avinashxz (talk) 10:50, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Err, I suggest you check your facts, that tweet was from 2018. The reply was manipulated so as to make it look like a direct reply.https://www.altnews.in/was-the-derogatory-post-that-triggered-bangalore-riots-a-reaction-to-an-anti-hindu-post/.Slatersteven (talk) 10:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

The concern I raised has been resolved as of revision here. The following leading paragraphs sufficiently describes the issue. It describes the main issue of the facebook post in the opening paragraph. Specifies that the violence was started by the mob and adequately describes the people involved in the riots. Cwarrior (talk) 15:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Opindia has two articles complaining about this one, ie recruiting people
I'm not going to link them but it's important to note that editors may be coming here because of them. One is someone arguing that Wikipedia is too secular, the other typically targets an editor here. Please folks don't link them or quote them here, the purpose of this page is to improve the article, not to talk about the riots or even Opindia (which we do not use as a source and our software now blocks their url). Thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:10, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I forgot, they are upset that religion isn't mentioned, hence some of the recent requests. Doug Weller  talk 18:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Editors here are upset because there is a continuous effort to whitewash the events on the article (and many Indic articles). Because people were upset about the Wikipedia article, OpIndia probably reported it. Not the other way round. Let's stick to the discussion of the article on this talk page please. Cwarrior (talk) 15:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * As an aside, I invite folks interested in this topic to discuss this issue on the relevant talk page: . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwarrior (talk • contribs) 15:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Reactions/Response section
As with any instance of communal violence in South Asia, the talk pages are bound to be a lively and comical pissing contest or textual riot of sorts.

What about including the response from Pakistan and coverage in Pakistani media ?

Is dawn.com a credible source as anointed by the high and mighty censors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.7.75 (talk) 08:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Pretty unclear what do you want us to do with that source and what you're trying to say, there are also no "censors" here. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 09:08, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Of course i made it pretty clear to include the 'official' reaction from Pakistan's foreign office as cited in Dawn, and of course dawn, i deem it to be a pretty credible source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.7.75 (talk) 09:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I see now, I suppose that can be included. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 09:31, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And Bangladesh?Slatersteven (talk) 10:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

There is only one english language BD source i could find, but no mention of an 'official' reaction, clearly it seems Pakistan is the only one that hasn't lost track of its regional priorities. Either ways adds more balance to the international coverage. Three dead in Bangalore violence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C58:4300:3C11:7125:CCEE:4463:6BC9 (talk) 22:11, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

The article is trying to make this a police brutality issue when it is not.
The reverts here are not giving a clear a picture of the riots.

It is important to say what caused the riots, in the first two sentences of the article.

"The clashes were provoked by a derogatory Facebook post on Muhammad allegedly shared by the nephew of an Indian National Congress legislator. A group of people arrived at the residence of the state legislator in protest. It turned violent and later spread to the police stations of KG Halli and DJ Halli. The residence of the legislator was also torched during the period of violence."

The current version of the article is trying to put the blame on the "police" for the violence. Cwarrior (talk) 14:08, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , the current lead is more WP:NPOV. Can you suggest a change that follows what you say, while sticking to NPOV? SerChevalerie (talk) 14:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The change before was fairly concise and readable to me. I have suggested the paragraph above. Thanks. Cwarrior (talk) 14:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Please qualify the persona referred to by the offensive social media post as the 'Prophet', given that the proper name itself can refer to millions of ordinary persons with the same name and can sound immature on Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.7.75 (talk) 08:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

The cause of the riot is not clearly stated. The investigation are stating that a comment had caused the riots. The comment was in response to original post which was abusing Hindu God. The Wikipedia article does not mention anything about it. Avinashxz (talk) 10:50, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Err, I suggest you check your facts, that tweet was from 2018. The reply was manipulated so as to make it look like a direct reply.https://www.altnews.in/was-the-derogatory-post-that-triggered-bangalore-riots-a-reaction-to-an-anti-hindu-post/.Slatersteven (talk) 10:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

The concern I raised has been resolved as of revision here. The following leading paragraphs sufficiently describes the issue. It describes the main issue of the facebook post in the opening paragraph. Specifies that the violence was started by the mob and adequately describes the people involved in the riots. Cwarrior (talk) 15:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Opindia has two articles complaining about this one, ie recruiting people
I'm not going to link them but it's important to note that editors may be coming here because of them. One is someone arguing that Wikipedia is too secular, the other typically targets an editor here. Please folks don't link them or quote them here, the purpose of this page is to improve the article, not to talk about the riots or even Opindia (which we do not use as a source and our software now blocks their url). Thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:10, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I forgot, they are upset that religion isn't mentioned, hence some of the recent requests. Doug Weller  talk 18:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Editors here are upset because there is a continuous effort to whitewash the events on the article (and many Indic articles). Because people were upset about the Wikipedia article, OpIndia probably reported it. Not the other way round. Let's stick to the discussion of the article on this talk page please. Cwarrior (talk) 15:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * As an aside, I invite folks interested in this topic to discuss this issue on the relevant talk page: . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwarrior (talk • contribs) 15:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Reactions/Response section
As with any instance of communal violence in South Asia, the talk pages are bound to be a lively and comical pissing contest or textual riot of sorts.

What about including the response from Pakistan and coverage in Pakistani media ?

Is dawn.com a credible source as anointed by the high and mighty censors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.7.75 (talk) 08:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Pretty unclear what do you want us to do with that source and what you're trying to say, there are also no "censors" here. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 09:08, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Of course i made it pretty clear to include the 'official' reaction from Pakistan's foreign office as cited in Dawn, and of course dawn, i deem it to be a pretty credible source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.7.75 (talk) 09:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I see now, I suppose that can be included. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 09:31, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And Bangladesh?Slatersteven (talk) 10:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

There is only one english language BD source i could find, but no mention of an 'official' reaction, clearly it seems Pakistan is the only one that hasn't lost track of its regional priorities. Either ways adds more balance to the international coverage. Three dead in Bangalore violence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C58:4300:3C11:7125:CCEE:4463:6BC9 (talk) 22:11, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Murthy can be named, can't he?
Pinging, sorry if I'm wrong but it seems you removed his name. I don't believe he himself is subject to WP:BLPCRIME as it is only his nephew who is accused and he is a notable person being a state legislator regardless of this incident. Can you provide your reasoning for not including his name? Tayi Arajakate Talk 13:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , is mentioning his name important to the narrative? His nephew sparked the incident (and we can't add his name because of WP:BLPCRIME) and he didn't start the violence, a mob did. Adding his name would require some more context as to his role in the whole incident, which I haven't seen so far. SerChevalerie (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I think it is. For one, his house was set on fire and his locality was one of the three epicenters of the violence. He is also quite relevant with respect to the aftermath though that is not adequately covered in the aftermath yet. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 13:48, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , in that case you may restore his name, but stick to the context that you have mentioned above. SerChevalerie (talk) 13:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

SDPI leader the mastermind Muzammil Pasha organised the planned brutal violence. Why his name is missing in the article. Avinashxz (talk) 11:13, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Source?Slatersteven (talk) 11:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's a source. . And another one. Cwarrior (talk) 04:01, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * He recently succumbed to Covid-related complications.
 * I think based on this we could say "Muzammil Pasha has been accused of organising the riots".Slatersteven (talk) 09:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 August 2020
On the night of 11 August 2020, islamic mob attack took place in the Indian city of Bangalore, Karnataka.[4] Provoked by an inflammatory Facebook post on Muhammad that was allegedly shared by the nephew of the Akhanda Srinivas Murthy, a state legislator of the Indian National Congress,[5] a group of Muslims arrived at his house in protest which turned violent.[6]

The clashes between the police and agitators started around the residence of the legislator and spread to the police stations of KG Halli and DJ Halli.[7] The incident resulted in the imposition of a curfew in the affected areas,[8] the death of 3 people in police firing[9] and injuries to 30–80 policemen[10] and several journalists, inflicted by armed islamic assailants.[11] The property of the legislator was also torched during the period of violence.[12]

The following day, over 100 people were arrested by the police.[13] Some of the crowds were also allegedly led by members of the Social Democratic Party of India (SDPI), an Islamist fundamentalist political outfit[11] and has led to the arrest of a few of its leaders.[14] Test.sanjay (talk) 15:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I cannot support an edit with cites I cannot verify.Slatersteven (talk) 09:00, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Kautilya3 (talk) 10:45, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Add a little more content in Aftermath
A Muslim leader from Meerut has announced a bounty of Rs 51 lakh on the head of Naveen, the nephew of Karnataka Congress MLA R Akhanda Srinivasmurthy for his Facebook post. This same case was with Kamlesh Tiwari who was murdered after a bounty on his head by a muslim leader which is case of Islam and blasphemy and hence religious one. Branstarx3 (talk) 14:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * What has this to do with the riots?Slatersteven (talk) 14:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Naveen is the same person, whose facebook post / comment provoked the rioteers. Cwarrior (talk) 15:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Naveen the accuse one of posting blasphemous Facebook Post is getting threats and Bounty has been announced on him by Muslim Religious leaders related to Samajwadi Party this same case was seen with Kamlesh Tiwari & Charlie Hebdo shooting and now again this Branstarx3 (talk) 15:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So? It am really not seeing the relevance of this.Slatersteven (talk) 16:57, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the points about how this is relevant to the aftermath of the riots are made very clear above. Cwarrior (talk) 18:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia shouldn't be publicising random wannabe fundie politicians and their empty threats/hateful incitements. He will probably stay in lockup for some days for this stunt. Vultures like these come out after every riot/violence. It's irrelevant to the main riots in my opinion. Regards, TryKid&thinsp;[dubious – discuss] 02:37, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I disagree. This is a direct follow up of the Bangalore riots and has been extensively covered in the media as such. Shahzeb Rizvi is a former Samajwadi Party leader.  Cwarrior (talk) 04:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The religion of rioters are clearly mentioned in one of the article of international media house The New York Times, i see no more excuses to not to mention rioters'religion as it would be article Media bias of Wikipedia. Branstarx3 (talk) 00:55, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Words like 'clashes' and 'riots' give the impression that two different groups were involved
The use of words like 'clashes' and 'riots' give out an impression that more than one party were initially present. Police action against the mob can't be termed as a clash and certainly not a riot. The primary issue was that a mob of Muslim men enraged over the derogatory post on prophet Muhammad gathered near the house of an MLA who took on to stone pelting and destruction of property. The police action can only be seen as a reaction- to bring the mob under control not as a clash between the police and the mob. Harshppp (talk) 10:37, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes it can be called a clash (as in "police clash with..."), and often is. As to riot, are you saying that its only a riot if police stand by and do nothing?Slatersteven (talk) 10:39, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

But what happened in Bengaluru that night is not as much about about the 'police clash' than the gathering of mob, which is the primary issue. So the introduction shouldn't certainly start as to specify a clash but should start with 'mob violence'. Harshppp (talk) 17:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The title is not "the start of...", we give the whole of the events, the lede is a summery of our article (and thus the whole of the events) its not a timeline.Slatersteven (talk) 18:37, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

While I do have an objection about the title, my point of contention was the first paragraph. When I read the article it gives out an impression that what happened in Bengaluru were clashes not mob violence. I am for using the word 'mob violence' before we use the word 'clashes'. Neither the whole summary of the event mirror a riot it was violence, so title too could be changed appropriately. Harshppp (talk) 04:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Update on the cause of the riot
Hello everyone, can we add the actual cause of the riots.

A Muslim facebook user posted a porographic/derogatory pics on Hindu Goddess, as a reply the MLAs nephew  shared a apparent blasphemous cartoon of Mohamad.

Many media outlets are trying to hide these details as it is in poor taste, I believe information shouldn't be censored especially the the cause and motives of a horrible riot.

Source : https://www.altnews.in/was-the-derogatory-post-that-triggered-bangalore-riots-a-reaction-to-an-anti-hindu-post/ GhostIn$hell (talk) 05:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * did you even read the source you provided? It directly contradicts your claim that the MLA's nephew's post was in reaction to some other anti-Hindu post. In fact, it's a fact check of the false claim you seem to be repeating here. From the last line of the AltNews source: "[t]hus Naveen’s remarks could not have been a reaction to Basheer’s post targeting Hindu deities." Regards, TryKid&thinsp;[dubious – discuss] 06:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As said above this looks fake.Slatersteven (talk) 10:13, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi discuss, Slatersteven and talk , it appears i miss read the original source with the inconsistency. The original anti-hindu post in altnews was indeed from 2018, however it is also true that the alleged poster Naveen made a reactionary reply to a alleged anti-hindu post demeaning Hindu gods made by political party leader of SDPI  Fairoz Pasha, prominent Indian media outlets have stated this fact, many media outlet are indeed hiding this information for many speculations, even

source 1: https://facthunt.in/posts/1330/Fact-Check:-Post-which-triggered-Bengaluru-riots-was-in-response-to-a-post-by-SDPI-leader

source 2: https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/bangalore-police-probe-motive-for-post-by-congress-mlas-kin-that-sparked-violence-6553919/

my original atlnews link wasn meant to point the censorship at play in India media, both

———————————— — Preceding unsigned comment added by GhostIn$hell (talk • contribs) 09:33, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The article is flawed in content. The original sin was carried out by a person who defamed indian goddesses and published a picture showing the goddesses in a naked form.

This prompted a reaction where there was blasphemy.

The original sin was ignored conveniently. Please report responsibly. Or Wikipedia will be shunned in india.

This was the trigger.

Don't distort the truth. Indian Marauder (talk) 02:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not censored. Thank you, —MelbourneStar ☆ talk 02:33, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You need better sources then this given the lies that have already been spread by the Indian media.Slatersteven (talk) 09:52, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Branstarx3 (talk) 13:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well what do you think they did when they claimed something that has been admitted to here was not true? But you are correct I should have said "published something false".Slatersteven (talk) 13:22, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Add More contents
Police investigation has found links of 2020 Bangalore riots to Al-Hind Terror Group apart from SDPI Branstarx3 (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Bengaluru police detained a suspect in connection with the recent violence that broke out in the city, person was identified as Samiuddin (accused of being in touch with the accused in the RSS activist, Rudresh murder case). Only 2 weeks ago of 2020 Bangalore riots the United Nations warned Government of India that significant number of ISIS terrorists are present in state of Karnataka & Kerala who is ready to carry out attacks, Al-Hind group was one of those ISIS Conspirator group, National Investigation Agency has filed Chargesheeet against this group in July 2020
 * Why is this person significant? Also I need to see your suggested text, as this may fall foul off wp:blp and wp:crime.Slatersteven (talk) 13:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Things which aren't explicitly mentioned
1. Issue started with, some muslim guy putting vulgur Hindu god post on Facebook. 2. Facebook post was circulated, which invited theses ppl in front of MLA house. Sanjeev4ui (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1. has been shown to be fake, 2, you need a source for this.Slatersteven (talk) 10:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Detainee / Arrest Count
The total detention count is now 385. A smaller number is used in the infobox as well as the article text. Cwarrior (talk) 17:30, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Poorly sourced? Probably not.
These reverts don't justify why the following content was poorly sourced:

"The mob also looted and vandalised other houses in the locality. "

"In Meerut, Uttar Pradesh, the police booked a man, allegedly a past associate of the Samajwadi Party, on charges of "disturbing communal harmony" after he announced a bounty on the head of the nephew. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwarrior (talk • contribs) 15:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The first one is poorly sourced and is already adequately covered with other sources.
 * For the second one you have not engaged further at before making the addition.  Tayi Arajakate  Talk 16:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Can you please elaborate on why is it poorly sourced? The current discussion does not describe whether the mob only attacked the legislature and family or other houses as well.
 * I will add more details about the second in the discussion above. However, note that you mentioned "poorly sourced" as a reason for both. Cwarrior (talk) 04:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you tend to read only half a edit summary? The first line is poorly sourced because not only it is sourced from The Times of India and that too in a vague and misleading manner, the article in the The Times of India states that a neighbor's was attacked while your edit gives an impression that multiple other houses were. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 05:11, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Here's another source for the statement that the mob vandalized and robbed other houses as well. Cwarrior (talk) 17:33, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2020
It very generically mentioned as 'mob' when credible evidences exists that tis 'muslim mob', one such reference comes from a international daily whose link is given below.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/08/12/business/ap-as-india-deadly-clashes.html?searchResultPosition=6 Avbhanda (talk) 13:01, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We were discussing this and this was decided upon to say they were Muslim, mob is harder to justify.Slatersteven (talk) 09:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you very much for your suggestion; however, this appears to be an issue that needs the input of other involved editors, so... Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  P.I. Ellsworth    ed.  put'r there 19:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

its perfectly fine to delibrate within CLOSED space, while we wait to enrich the OPEN Wikipedia platform ... 23:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avbhanda (talk • contribs)

Ban looms on SDPI
I am new here and so, I thought it is better to ask. This article says a ban on the SDPI looms. Should that be added to this article or the article on the SDPI?&mdash;Dr2Rao (talk) 13:34, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If it becomes a ban one line would suffice.Slatersteven (talk) 13:38, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Span of 2 days
As per WP:RS and as mentioned in the article riots took place on the late night of August 11 from around 10 PM and the early hours 12 AM to 6 AM of 12 August. I do not know if people lack education in the time and date, but post mid night always means the start of a new day. The timeline was given to only August 11, I fixed it to August 11 and 12 as the situation already mentioned long before I even edited this was mentioned to last up to the early hours of August 12. Dilbaggg (talk) 13:14, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That depends on if by two days you mean two separate dates or a 48 hour period.Slatersteven (talk) 13:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Slatersteven Nevertheless local dates past mid night which you need to remember is when its 12 AM past is August 11 and August 12, do not break WP:OR and give local dates of the incident given in the WP:RS. Please learn the Eastern Time Zone, thank you. Dilbaggg (talk) 13:17, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not 12 hours would not be two days, if it stated at 1am on the 11th and ended At 12 pm on the 12th that would be 2 days.Slatersteven (talk) 13:20, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Between 1 a.m. and 5 a.m., the police began clearing the streets while identifying and arresting those involved in the violence." Misquoting source is clear disruptive editing, and you are even removing references. Slatersteven Dilbaggg (talk) 13:22, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * When did it start and end?Slatersteven (talk) 13:23, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Slatersteven Its clearly stated it started in the night of August 11 (around 10 PM) and continued to the early hours of August 12 ( 5 AM), the local end date is August 12, WP:RS says so, even the article ahd it before I even layed my hand, it is clear you are misquoting sources, removing references and trying to use your local UK time, in which it was August 11, but in India it happened between August 11 night to August 12 Dawn. Next time will be your WP:TRR violation. Let other editors other than us decide, they can CLEARLY see the local date was between August 11 and 12. Dilbaggg (talk) 13:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Which does not even mean 12 hours, let alone 2 days.Slatersteven (talk) 13:28, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok you can remove 2 days, but the dates should be as it really is August 11 to August 12, removing the 2 days mention, but it occurred in those calendar dates. Slatersteven Dilbaggg (talk) 13:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also your source only says "but an uneasy calm prevailed on the morning of August 12", it does not say that rioting continued into the morning (see wp:v). Do you have a source that says that rioting continued in to the 12th?Slatersteven (talk) 13:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Between 11:00 p.m and 12:30 a.m, a group of Muslim youths also formed a human chain around the local temple near DJ Halli station to protect it in case of any escalation.[21][12] " Between 1 a.m. and 5 a.m., the police began clearing the streets while identifying and arresting those involved in the violence.[23] These two lines alone shows it continued up to August 12. Regardless I know you are trying your best to help this article and I respect that, you have contributed 90% times better than me, I agree with almost everything you added but the dates are clear per all news reports, WP:RS everything, August 11 and August 12. It continued up to the early hours of August 12, the calm finally happened in the morning, but violence happened till dawn, aka 5 AM. Thank you for this discussion. Slatersteven Dilbaggg (talk) 13:38, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Is the police action part of the riot? Of course not, police action counts as the aftermath of the event. The situation was completely under control by 1am of 12 August as per Quint. And anyway, most RS explicitly say the riot occurred on 11 August, you don't need to do calculations for it; that would be WP:OR. Regards, TryKid&thinsp;[dubious – discuss] 13:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC) Also demos and riots are not the same thing. Please read wp:or.Slatersteven (talk) 13:47, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The riots as per WP:RS ended as the police cleared them from the street which was by 5 AM definitely police clearing out rioters to calm the situation is part of the riots, and long before I even edited it was stated violence continued past 12 AM. Cramming everything into August 11 which isn't doing as per WP:RS is what is WP:OR violation. Dilbaggg (talk) 13:48, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * no. Reliable sources explicitly give the date of the riot as 11 August. In new organisations, day names are used instead of dates and so many say "Tuesday night". Tuesday here refers to 11 August. You've only presented your own calculations for this "12 August" date, no reliable sources. I'm reverting, please give reliable sources and not original research/synthesis before reverting me. Regards, TryKid&thinsp;[dubious – discuss] 13:55, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Besides sources withinn the article Multiple sources not included also exist citing riots in the the early hours of August 12.

Quote:

"Triggered by an online post, a violent mob rampaged through Bengaluru's Pulakeshi Nagar on Tuesday (August 12) night and vandalized two police stations and the residence of Congress MLA Akhand Srinivas Murthy whose nephew allegedly shared a social media post against Prophet Mohammad Saheb"

https://zeenews.india.com/india/bengaluru-violence-a-pre-planned-conspiracy-that-just-needed-a-spark-to-explode-2302369.html

I urge Western editors not to mix up their time line with Eastern Zone. Sources clearly state most of the incidents happened on the night of August 12. And do not accuse of false WP:OR violation, WP:Harassment that is, next time learn what reliable sources is other than your personal; view that it ended in August 11 User:TryKid, I am the one using sources, you are the one stating it ended on August 11 despite absolutely 0 sources saying it did. Sources say it ended in August 12 thats what matters, not your opinion. Dilbaggg (talk) 13:58, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Tuesday was the 11th, Wednesday was the 12th.Slatersteven (talk) 14:02, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also even if this source is right, it still only says one night (the night of the 12th).Slatersteven (talk) 14:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * the person who was accusing us of "lacking education" now posts Zee News source whose editors do not even have access to a calendar. Open the calendar on your mobile phone, and look at what the day was on August 12. August 12 was Wednesday, not Tuesday. I'm not a Western editor, as my user page says I'm fully Indian. Zee News is usually reliable, but never trust a report that comes without a solid byline of a real person. Regards, TryKid&thinsp;<sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[dubious – discuss] 14:05, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Regardless you reverting my edit without reaching a consensus was inappropriate. There are numerous other sources I can give that cites the riots ended in August 12, but there are 0 sources that it ended in August 11. As per TRR I have to wait 24 hours to make the article accurate again, but you people can research yourself and reach the conclusion start date night of August 11 and end date early hours of August 12. I keep this discussion halted for 24 hours until TRR expires. Dilbaggg (talk) 14:11, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Read wp:ONUS, its is down to you to convince us. If you revert again I will report you for edit warring.Slatersteven (talk) 14:14, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have provided actual sources (which also existed long before I touched the article) that riots ended in August 12, you failed to provide single source that it ended in August 11. Again WP:Harassment, I already said I will not revert until TRR expires (24 hours later). I respect your dedication to the article but the correct timeline shall be provided hopefully. Dilbaggg (talk) 14:18, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You still haven't provided a single link that explicitly says the riot occurred on 12 August (except the Zee News link, which only mentioned 12 August because of a likely typo). Apart from the Quint source I linked above, there's The Hindu, Outlook, Hindutan Times and others which say "Tuesday night", meaning "11 August night". There are two editors (me, Slatersteven) that disagree with you (and you alone). You can't simply revert back after 24 hours. That would be gaming the system and wiki-lawyering. Also, replying to your claims on the talk page isn't harassment. Stop baseless accusations. Regards, TryKid&thinsp;<sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[dubious – discuss] 14:20, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * wp:3rr is not a right, even if you make only 1 revert a day it is is the same thing 15 times its an edit war. wp:brd is quite clear, you now need to convince us, that means you do the work. That means you provide a source that says (explicitly) the riots continued into the 12th.Slatersteven (talk) 14:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * On your revert to my edit you removed a WP:RS I added that clearly stated August 12 violence was reported, which was pretty disruptive, and here again is another source that says riots happened on August 11 and August 12, the early hours of August 12 12Am to 5 Am riots indeed were reported. Source: []. You have failed to provide a single source that states the riots ended on August 11. Regardless I have seeked Third opinion. Dilbaggg (talk) 13:39, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 August, 2020
Information to be added or removed: please change the very first sentence of the lead which says, "violent clashes" to violent clashes/riots by Muslim mobs targeting the police Explanation of issue: it now seems like it was a Hindu-Muslim clash, but it wasn't so.&mdash;Dr2Rao (talk) 14:18, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * See extensive talk about this.Slatersteven (talk) 14:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Where ?&mdash;Dr2Rao (talk) 14:26, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, bit confused with another article. Is Akhanda Srinivas Murthy a member of the police force?Slatersteven (talk) 14:31, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No, he is a member of the Karnataka Legislative Assembly. Bangalore is the capital of the state of Karnataka. Please answer my question in my previous post.&mdash;Dr2Rao (talk) 15:11, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So as it was his actions that sparked this, and as he was the initial target how was this "targeting the police"?Slatersteven (talk) 15:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

<redacted by me. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 09:26, 6 September 2020 (UTC)>
 * What?Slatersteven (talk) 15:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Please change the very first sentence of the lead which says, "violent clashes" to violent clashes/riots by Muslim mobs targeting the police.&mdash;Dr2Rao (talk) 15:28, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Your argument needs to be better, we need a good reason to change it, you are yet to provide one.Slatersteven (talk) 15:31, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The 3rd sentence says, clashes between the police and the mobs, so you can add the same to the 1st sentence. I never said you are dumb but you need to understand that these people attack anyone if they feel offended. I remember one Theo van Gogh (film director), nephew of the famous Vincent van Gogh was murdered a couple of years ago for allegedly saying something about the prophet. These things are happening all over the world.&mdash;Dr2Rao (talk)
 * These are not reasons the make the change, this is my last reply here until you actually offer a valid justification for this change, until then I oppose any change, and you may take and lack of reply as an "I do not agree".Slatersteven (talk) 15:46, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You are being insensitive. I hope somebody else makes the changes.&mdash;Dr2Rao (talk) 15:54, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. <b style="background:#304747;color:#BED6D6"> Seagull123 </b><b style="color:#304747"> Φ </b> 17:07, 27 August 2020 (UTC)