Talk:2020 Irish general election

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 * Just to note, there is currently only one response to each of the above nominations on their respective discussion pages... Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:59, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Government formation
That section, especially the table, is starting to get a little WP:CRYSTAL and WP:OR-ish... While a minority government is certainly a possibility, the table is leaving out obvious options that are being being discussed among the parties over recent days, including inclusion of smaller parties, such as the Greens, with SF/FF - which would give a working majority. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:46, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that we need to be careful and stick to what reliable sources are saying, but as far as I can see, the section is well referenced at present...? Bondegezou (talk) 17:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Should today's Amárach Research polling for the Irish Daily Mail be added here? As of now, the raw data only appears to be available from Next Irish General Election on Twitter, but will surely appear on the company's own website in due course. Culloty82 (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes it should be added but not to the opinion polling section as it belongs to the next election cycle not to the cycle leading up to the election. This new article does not exist yet so i would add the poll to "Government Formation" for now. Wikimucker (talk) 14:58, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Inconsistent reporting of election results
This article's infobox states FF won 38 seats, with the caveat that "Includes the Ceann Comhairle Seán Ó Fearghaíl, elected to Dáil Éireann in 2002 for Fianna Fáil, who is returned automatically". I won't bother providing references to support the 38, but trust me there are many. Although the search results are complicated by Sinn Féin's 37 seats, I can't find any references saying FF won 37. I'm not interested in any arguments about how they really won 37 due to the CC, he's a FF member and he's deemed to have been elected by the Constitution.

Fianna Fáil says 37, and apparently has done ever since it was first added (the number of seats displayed in the infobox of the article is a separate issue I believe). This has resulted in an IP editor apparently using first preference votes as a tie-breaker. That edit is the subject of discussion at Talk:Sinn Féin, the outcome of that discussion may also affect the Fianna Fáil article.

Does anyone have any objections to the total in the Fianna Fáil article's election table being 38, so it's consistent with this article? FDW777 (talk) 22:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * No objection. FF had 38 TD's returned when the Dáil first met. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No (and in principle if a new coalition was on a knife-edge, Ó Fearghail could step down as CC to make up the numbers. There will be rí rá agus ruaille buaille if he does but if that is what it takes then he will have to do it). FF have 38 seats by fair means or foul. --Red King (talk) 22:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * ✅ FDW777 (talk) 12:06, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

"Opinion polling for the next Irish general election" listed at Redirects for discussion
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New large constituency map
I've reverted the addition of the large map of constituencies. , what is this intended to show? If I click on the image, depending on where exactly I click, I will either get taken to results for a particular constituency (fair enough, but already available on the page); or I get the wikimedia image page, where I can see the image title is "Map showing the party winning the most first-preference votes in each constituency." This might be meaningful in a first-past-the-post system, but it's meaningless - and quite possibly misleading - in an Irish context, where we have multi-seat constituencies, and the vagaries of PR-STV can mean that the candidates with most votes at the first count can miss out on election, or may not get elected until a late count. Possibly without reaching a quota. This map is telling us that "independents won the most first-preference votes in Roscommon-Galway", but Michael Fitzmaurice and Denis Naughton have little, if anything, in common. Likewise Mattie McGrath and Michael Lowry in Tipperary. A candidate may win several hundred more votes than their nearest rival, but see two or three candidates from other parties (or none) also be returned. The 'Results of the election by constituency.' map, already on the page, conveys far more information, more usefully, and more neutrally. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:26, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The map was already there before I added the large one. It was there as an image and it shows, as it says right below it, "the party winning the most first-preference votes in each constituency." The map I added was an interactive way to access each constituency page, similar to the map of Spain right here (a page that in my opinion is simply fantastic at showing results of elections). It was my intention to add a similar table to this one below the map but if the large map is a problem, then I will not add it. The Irish Times results page shows (at the top of the page for each constituency) a bar with the first preference result of each party, so it's not like this measurement isn't relevant or isn't used anywhere. -- Spaastm (talk) 22:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

S-PBP Portrait space
Would it be better to have the two logos of the parties in the portrait space, or should it just be left as the text S-PBP? Lough Swilly (talk) 10:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As the entry is for photos of party leaders, and they had/have none, then just the text is fine. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)r
 * Alright then! Lough Swilly (talk) 13:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Obviously this is an Irish election so we don't have to do things the other way other elections are shown, but the 2024 French legislative election uses the logo of the New Popular Front in place of a leader portrait (as they have a collective leadership) and it looks quite good. Also on the 2011 Irish general election page the Socialist Party's logo is used in place of just lettering. Lough Swilly (talk) 08:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)