Talk:2020 Pacific hurricane season

Article creation
Not really sure how to set up pages and it seems that I can not create this page, but all the other 2020 cyclone season pages (Atl, WPAC, and NIO) have been created so someone maybe create this one? Sdslayer100 (talk) 22:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

New invest
Ummm,should we put the new invest in the Epac in the Other systems section if it doesn't make it to tropical cyclone statues? Just wondering since it is a pretty early storm system iwh a 80% chance of formation. AquaKille (talk) 15:54, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Please do not put new invests on this article, even if it has a 80, 90, or even 100% chance of formation within the next five days. If the invest is a Potential Tropical Cyclone, you may add it. Destroyeraa (talk) 15:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Why is the new depression the earliest to form when it is April 25, and Carmen formed on April 4. That is a 21 day difference. HurricaneNerd (talk) 18:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Carmen formed in the Central Pacific, not the East Pacific. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 17:42, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

1966 or 1976
While the introduction says reliable reords began 1967 the statement within the session on One-E says 1966. Seems there is missing some reliability in this. ;-) Should be corrected. --Matthiasb (talk) 23:58, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Are there any forecasts for this basin?
2020 Atlantic hurricane season has a list and I recall 2018 Pacific hurricane season listing forecasts as well. I've been looking for them but I couldn't find anything. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:38, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you mean the seasonal forecasts - NOAA traditionally publishes it just before the Atlantic Hurricane Season starts.Jason Rees (talk) 19:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * SNM hasn't been posted yet and CPC's outlook comes out next week. YE Pacific Hurricane 19:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Amanda Article
I truly believe that someone should make an article for Amanda, because it killed at least 15 people, possibly caused millions in damage, and it's become very common for storms with a death toll like Amanda's to gain an article, probably for the potential to be retired. Hurricanehuron33 (talk) 18:49, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah there's no reasonable dissent here. YE Pacific Hurricane 19:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * there is an existing draft at Draft:Tropical Storm Amanda (2020). ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 00:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Hurricane Douglas Article?
Hey, is anyone in the process of creating an article for Hurricane Douglas? It's looking like it make landfall over the islands, and could bring impacts to them. I don't know if that's enough to warrant an article creation, but I've seen storms impact Hawaii with less and receive one. --Gumballs678 (talk) 17:23, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I think someone has already created it. Linphil (talk) 21:21, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You were a bit late in that post, Linphil. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  10:10, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Satellite image edit warring
This is a warning going out to all editors involved in the multitude of edit warring across WikiProject Tropical cyclones. This is a preemptive warning to cease the edit warring before another incident arises and the consequences of ignoring this warning will be enforced immediately. The endless reverting and replacing of images with or without valid rationale has reached the point of being disruptive. These edits are generally a waste of time and focus should be placed on the content of the article rather than a single image. Continued edit warring will result in temporary bans—for 36 hours or longer—at the discretion of administrators.

Please do not edit-war to try to get your own uploaded image to be the storm's image. That reeks of WP:OWN. Some images are better than other images, the best-quality image is the one we use. If you disagree with another editor, please use the talk page to discuss. Thank you. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 15:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * None of the images are my own, I don't upload any these days since plenty of other users do that. I would like to think after more than 13 years of editing I have decent judgement on what satellite images to use. I would also appreciate if you refrain from threatening me with a hypocritical ban as you yourself are involved in the edit warring. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed your name. Originally, I was reverting disruptive editing with this IP - User:177.72.48.196 - who changes images to poor-quality or plainly bland images. The IP is currently blocked. Then, I saw and  edit-warring about their images, each trying to revert it to their own upload. CooperScience's showed a big blob of clouds that was tilted; the color was too blue. Hurricaneboy23's had lines. IMO, (no offense CooperScience), Hurricaneboy23's was better. So, I reverted to Hurricaneboy23's. CooperScience got mad at me, so he reverted it back. Then Hurricaneboy23 got mad, and he reverted Cooperscience's edit. It's a big mess,and I just wanted to stop it. Then, Cyclonebiskit jumped in and reverted Hurricaneboy23's image into CooperScience's image, adding fuel to the fire. Finally,  changed the image to their upload. This is why I don't upload satellite image, because edit warring due to WP:OWN will begin. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 23:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * i changed it to my image as its near peak (best track has a lone 35kt dot at 12Z August 16) and that image is technically near peak Fleur  De  Odile  00:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * According to the advisory archive, Fausto seems to have been a Tropical Storm for 12 hours, which is 2 dots. The best track differs though... ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 01:53, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hurricane Geniveve
I think that hurricane Geniveve should be important enough to go and become its own article, not sure how to make a draft but if you can please reply to me with a link for a draft if you can, I would love to help with editing. I like hurricanes (talk) 17:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There are two ways to make a draft, :


 * Create it at Draft:Hurricane Genevieve
 * or create at User:I like hurricanes/sandbox.


 * 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  10:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * okay, thanks! I like hurricanes (talk) 11:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. --🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  11:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Genevieve article?
There's a hurricane warning in effect in Cabo San Lucas, and that's a pretty major city to Mexico standards. If it makes landfall, then should we make a Genevieve article? If this is a dumb question, then just delete it. Plus, I really agree with @I like hurricanes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seaotter26705 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You can refer to Chinese Wikipedia. 林天蓬 (talk) 00:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't think we even need a landfall for the article. It is pretty major and hurricane force winds in Mexico seem like enough to make an article, especially if a storm on the Atlantic drifts out so see without impacts and gets its own article. I like hurricanes (talk) 00:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * to sea* I like hurricanes (talk) 00:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * can you guys go and help with the draft on my discussion? I like hurricanes (talk) 12:41, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Send messages to Hurricanehink, or leave a message requesting help at WP:WPTC. WP:TEA and WP:WIZARD might also help. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  13:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay I like hurricanes (talk) 13:06, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with making an article for Genevieve. Sometimes articles take time to develop, so be sure to ask people who are already passionate about the storm. You're going to get more luck with users in that part of the world, so either users from Mexico, or maybe reach out to people on hurricane forums/fan pages. Also,, you can always edit your comments so you don't have to reply to yourself, especially to fix a typo ;) ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:49, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Ten-E track
Tropical Depression 10-E has a malfunctioning track. Please see. The creator of the track map, I believe, was (which is why I just pinged him). 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC) The path is very awkward, with lots of jumping around (perhaps center relocations?). Pretty sure Fleur gets his/her information from somewhere, probably the NHC besttrack. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 02:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There's a gap in the data between the end of 10E and the start of 91C. They're the same continuous system but the CPHC temporarily stopped monitoring it. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Fausto and the NorCal fires
The Northern California wildfires that started due to Fausto's remnants back on the 16th/17th of August have unfortunately killed 7 people, and I was wondering if those deaths could be counted ad being indirectly caused by Fausto. Additionally, when a damage figure comes out from the fires, would those be attributed to Fausto as well?--MegaEarthquake (talk) 20:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No, the death and damage of the fires would be attributed to the fires themselves, not Fausto's remnants. The amount of moisture from Fausto leading the the thunderstorms is debatable, as no news sources mention TS Fausto. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 02:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I have found a few news sources mentioning Fausto.DachshundLover82 (talk) 02:59, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Douglas merge
See Talk: Hurricane Douglas (2020) to comment your opinion. --67.85.37.186 (talk) 19:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Official end
It is November 30, the last day of the season, but I was under the impression that it was technically still active until 00:00 UTC. please let's not have another edit war over this. TornadoLGS (talk) 19:15, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, 00UTC 12/1 is the end. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Are we seriously doing this again? It will be 00:00 UTC in 30 minutes. If you want to settle this dispute, please do it here and not in edit summaries. TornadoLGS (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * My main point I am trying to make is that yes after 00z 12/1 and the last TWO is issued is when we change it to past tense. Pretty sure this has been standard protocol for years. However Avery is claiming in the Atlantic despite the last TWO being issued it’s not because of the AOI (which doesn’t count as it’s not an active named cyclone so by that regard there is no tropical cyclones active, hence changing it to past tense unless it decides to randomly form into Kappa). --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 23:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Is this the first season since 2012 to have fewer storms than the Atlantic?
I ask because a user named CycloneYoris disagrees and has actually reported me for having a different opinion than him. If a consensus a can be reached before I get banned for no reason. I've tried discussing it on his talk page but he just deletes my section every single time. So now I'm asking the community to settle this. Were 2017 and 2019 less active than the Atlantic in those years, because CycloneYoris thinks they were and has violated what he calls the "three revert rule" with misleading and outright false statements curprev 19:56, 16 December 2020‎ CycloneYoris talk contribs‎  99,958 bytes −161‎  Undid revision 994643481 by EPicmAx4 (talk) Other EPAC seasons have also been inactive since 2012, e.g. 2017 and 2019 were also less active than the Atlantic. undothank Tags: Undo Reverted Above is one of the many false and/or misleading statements he made regarding this issue. CycloneYoris, Will you concede and allow my edit to stay if a majority of users agree with me? EPicmAx4 (talk) 21:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)EPicmAx4
 * You will probably want to respond to this., you weren't reported for having a different opinion than him, you were reported for continuing to re-revert what he already reverted from you. Regarding the season, it is measured not just by the number of active systems in a basin, but also by the final Ace count too. Since the season had low ace, then it is below average, and because it didn't have a large number of cyclones, then it isn't active. It is very trivial to mention that a season has less storms than the Atlantic, and it is unnecessary to add such a fact. I highly encourage you guys to talk this out, I will let CY elaborate more. 🌀Weatherman27🏈 (Chat|Edits|sandbox)   22:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was exactly the reason why I decided to report EPicmAx4, since he kept reverting me for apparently no reason. Even if the statement were true though, you still need to add a reliable source that supports your claim. Adding trivial information without a source should never be encouraged, and I suggest you find a proper source before deciding to re-add the content back into the article. CycloneYoris talk! 22:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, definitely true here. 🌀Weatherman27🏈 (Chat|Edits|sandbox)  22:28, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm not just mentioning that this season had fewer storms than the Atlantic, I'm mentioning that this is the first time since 2012 that such a thing has happened, which I happen to think is a pretty interesting fact. I honestly see no reason why my edit absolutely cannot stand. CycloneYoris blatantly lied by falsely claiming that 2017 and 2019 had fewer storm than the Atlantic. It takes two to engage in an edit war. CycloneYoris is just as guilty as I am. EPicmAx4 (talk) 00:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)EPicmAx4
 * I would have to disagree. Like I said before, even if it may be an interesting fact, it is trivial and is rarely mentioned. Also, though CY did make a "false" claim, he is still correct that the number of named storms is not the only way season activity is measured, therefore it would be misleading to put such a fact in the article. 🌀Weatherman27🏈 (Chat|Edits|sandbox)  03:17, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with epicmax4, in fact. Because these records include the Central Pacific. And why did you delete the comments from your talk page? I don't think you should have done that. 🐔 Chicdat   Bawk to me!  11:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Even if the record includes the CPAC, it is still trivial unless there is a good source that backs it up, per CycloneYoris above. 🌀Weatherman27🏈 (Chat|Edits|sandbox)   19:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've re-added it, per WP:BOLD. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  12:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

This is a trivial record that no one except Phil Klotzbach cares about. In addition, it is unsourced, and CycloneYoris was right when they reverted it. You cannot add unsourced information to Wikipedia, EPicmAx4.~ Destroyer 🌀🌀 19:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree. It's a trivial idiosyncrasy. I'm reluctant to even call it a record. Adding it without a source likely counts as original research. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree per above. 🌀Weatherman27🏈 (Chat|Edits|sandbox)  18:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay... closed. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  13:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

My source for this information is HURDAT. I also changed the wording in the line for "less activity" to "fewer storms" so people like CycloneYoris can't get confused, but he didn't seem to notice. EPicmAx4 (talk) 20:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)EPicmAx4
 * I know this ended, but lemme give my $0.02. I think that if reliable sources say it, then sure, add it in! But if no sources pick it up, its too trivial to add to WP. --Hurricane Tracker 495 22:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Like I said, My source is HURDAT. And, this really should be common knowledge in this community. Also, if this is the standard, then this article shouldn't say that this is the least active season since 2010, or that it's the first since 1996 to have an unnamed storm. EPicmAx4 (talk) 18:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)EPicmAx4
 * ✅ I edited it to remove that note. It is really trivial. --Hurricane Tracker 495 19:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay. However, your record is still really trivial, and it is rather obvious that the season has less storms than the corresponding Atl season. Since 2012 is only 8 years, which isn’t a long time. ~ Destroyer 🌀🌀 00:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Based on the standard you guys have now set, this article should not say that this was the least active season since 2010 or that it was the first since 1996 to feature an unnamed storm. those records are really trivial. Too much so to add to WP. EPicmAx4

2021 EPAC page
Uh, should somebody create the 2021 EPAC hurricane season page? 2020 is coming to a close and the other pages have already been set. Hi 022828 (talk) 11:49, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * This has been done, though by whom I do not know. StormedEditor (talk) 02:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Seven-E
I know it is weird, but ever since Seven-E was upgraded to a tropical storm in post-season analysis, I thought that Seven-E should be named instead of TS Seven-E, TS Douglas. But then it doesn't really make sense, because the real Douglas would be Elida, and the real Elida would be Fausto, and the real Fausto would be Genevieve, and so on and so forth. -2607:FEA8:121F:A440:6052:900D:519:314 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:121F:A440:6052:900D:519:314 (talk) 14:16, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The NHC doesn't rename all of its storms following the season's conclusion, as this would confuse locales who experienced effects, and it is rather unnecessary since all the storms have dissipated by then. Please keep in mind this isn't a forum for discussion on the article's subjects. StormedEditor (talk) 02:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Retired names
I want to check base, on the storm names side, it says that retired names will be announced here, but weren't the Atlantic names announced? If that's the case, the retired Pacific names should be announced too, or were there no retired names? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.88.24.182 (talk) 02:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The Atlantic names were announced, but it was decided that there would be no names retired for the 2020 Pacific Hurricane Season. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox  02:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Fausto
Would the 23 deaths from the California wildfires spawned by Fausto count as indirecr deaths? 108.170.65.170 (talk) 00:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Technically yes, since Fausto itself did not have any land effects, but the moisture from the system helped to spawn the thunderstorms that then caused the wildfires, so yes the deaths would be indirect, however I am not the most knowledgeable when it comes to damages and deaths from systems. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 03:18, 6 January 2022 (UTC)