Talk:2020 World Snooker Championship

Qualifying Draw
I have filled in the seeds for the first four matches, but I am not sure whether to use "nowrap"? It seems it is not the best way to do it because of different showings on different screens? Should there be some changes to the template? Best wishes, Mrloop (talk) 14:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi - thanks for putting the effort in here, and discussing this one. WP:NOWRAP is only for things that should always appear on one line (examples are on the link, but things like weight conversions). Names don't meet this, unless hyphenated, so you should: use

and not for example. If it does look silly we can play around with the margins in the template to fix the majority of issues. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thepchaiya Un-Nooh
 * John Higgins

Country codes
What source are we using for the three-letter country codes in this article, and snooker articles in general? They seem to follow FIFA codes, which doesn't really make a lot of sense. The official World Snooker website tends to use ISO codes for non-UK nations, many of which are the same as the ones we're using, but with a few notable differences (for example, DEU for Germany, CHE for Switzerland, MYS for Malaysia), and they also seem to use SCT for Scotland, rather than SCO. Is there a reason why we're not using the codes used by World Snooker? Most other sports articles on Wikipedia display the country codes that are used by their governing bodies. Edin75 (talk) 17:40, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * We simply use the ones pre-built into category:All country data templates. Quite happy to change them around if the nation in particular isn't suitable. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I was just curious, to be honest. Most sports' governing bodies use IOC codes these days, football obviously uses FIFA codes, and Wikipedia articles tend to use the relevant codes for each sport. World Snooker is unusual with its use of ISO codes, but I'm not really a fan of the likes of SCT, DEU and CHE anyway, so I'm happy to leave it as it is! I just wanted to know if there was a specific source that we're using. Edin75 (talk) 18:12, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Use of flags
All those flags in the Qualifying section.. I don't know, it just looks idiotic. Shouldn't flags be restricted to draw sheets and maybe ('vertical') lists of players? Mrloop (talk) 10:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't be using images at all within prose - let alone flags. MOS:FLAG is the relevant guideline. Needs removing Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:18, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

O'Sullivan's appearance record
I added information about Ronnie O'Sullivan's record breaking 28th consecutive Crucible appearance. This was reverted as "hardly lede worthy". Please could those with more knowledge of snooker articles than me assist with adding it to the correct place in the article. Cheers. --Jameboy (talk) 08:20, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure. I was going to add this to the body, most likely in the first round section. The issue of chucking this in the lede is that whilst true, it's not particularly notable. It's quite likely this will also be true next year, so would be a bit irrelevant for this tournament. It's also only talking about the event since the 1970s, and the event itself has been held since 1927. The WP:LEDE should be a summary of the rest of the article, covering the most notable parts, and should be readable on its own. A reasonably random statistic about O'Sullivan in a summary of the event (the location, dates, money, event winner, etc) seems out of place. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:32, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for your help. --Jameboy (talk) 19:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Rewording of Statement
Please reword the following statement

"Selby cleared until the final red, and a series of safety shots were played, with O'Sullivan playing controlled shots that he had previously not, and potted match ball after Selby failed to escape a snooker.[134]"

Mark Selby did not fail to escape from the snooker. He swerved round the black; hit the red; caught the far knuckle of the middle jaw and failed to leave the red safe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.60.168.75 (talk) 05:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Recent changes to the lede
Hi, recently the lede has been changed quite a bit specifically the order of the highest break, which we usually have as the last item, with (somewhat randomly) the winning/final of the event. See this response when asking the user to bold, revert, discuss, so I'll start a discussion here in its stead.

In my eyes, the winner of the event is significantly more notable than that of the highest break, so should precede it in the lede. Any thoughts appreciated Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:35, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree. The lead should have the most important information first. Completely wrong to retain a chronological order with the winner listed last. Nigej (talk) 20:04, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, too. The lede doesn't have to be purely chronological, as I presume the other editor(s) are aiming for. The importance of the summarized information is what counts. &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 20:40, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, those of us who have done a lot of work on the World Championship articles have established a consistent structure for the lead, where the last paragraph covers (1) what happened to the defending champion, (2) the winner of the event and who he beat in the final, and (3) highest break info. Presenting the information consistently in the lead is more important than presenting it chronologically which is just likely to confuse the reader. Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Just out of interest, the Lead paragraph wiki article mentions "grabbing the attention of the reader", "the most important, interesting or attention-grabbing elements", "emphasize the interesting points of the article"; nowhere does it say anything about presenting the information 'chronologically'. Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:24, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Qualifying stage centuries
Please check the numbers and the source in 2020 World Snooker Championship. I count 53 centuries in the list (it says 51 in the text) and the source is no good (neither is the archive). I thought I'd mention it now rather than saving it for the FA review. Cheers, Rodney Baggins (talk) 19:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Does the World Snooker Tour website seriously not have a results archive?-- P-K3 (talk) 20:31, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That is the official centuries list. It appears though, that the total is wrong. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:18, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As Rodney says, we will need a different source, the archive link is not working. P-K3 (talk) 21:30, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This archive is complete, it says 51 so there must be something wrong in our list. I'll check it through. Rodney Baggins (talk) 21:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's Thepchaiya Un-Nooh, will remedy!! Rodney Baggins (talk) 21:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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