Talk:2020 World Snooker Championship/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 09:18, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Comments
 * Copyvio and plagiarism check: Used Earwig's Copyvio Detector. WST 32.4% match is mostly direct attributed quotes, but also the phrase "set a new record for the most combined points in a single frame at the Crucible." I suggest considering whether there is another reasonable way to include that information.
 * Yahoo 37.5% match is a direct attributed quote and a very common phrasing. WST 20% match is a direct attributed quote and common phrasings. 18.7% match seems to be a mirror site; 17.4% match is names and common phrasing, 16.7% match is a directly attributed quote and common phrasing; 16% match is a directly attributed quote and common phrasing; 15.3% match is a directly attributed quote and common phrasing. Reviewed the other matches of 9.9% and above, and no concerns from those.


 * Thanks for picking this one up Benny. I'll see what I can do about the rewording per WP:LIMITED Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Happy to discuss, or be challenged on, any of my comments. I've made a few minor copyedits where I thought they would be uncontroversial. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC) - My comments are below, nothing major. I'll look at the lead after reviewing your responses. Thanks. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:01, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've made the change to get rid of the copyvio. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Infobox Lead Background Format Coverage Prize fund Qualifying First round Second round Quarter-finals Semi-finals Final Main draw Qualifying Qualifying draw Century breaks External links Other
 * Looks fine.
 * "maiden world title" doesn't seem to appear in the body of the article or be supported by a reference.
 * I've put in "first world title" (the same deal) into the body. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "the 18th player to fall to the Crucible curse." - 18th doesn't seem to appear in the body of the article or be supported by a reference.
 * The number is irrelevant so I've removed. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "the highest of any player" doesn't seem to appear in the body of the article or be supported by a reference.
 * Now in body. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "tenth career maximum break" / "his first at the World Championship" / "aged 45" / "he became the oldest player to make a maximum in a professional competition" don't seem to appear in the body of the article or be supported by a reference.
 * I've now cited in body Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why not use a more recent source for "Stephen Hendry is the event's most successful participant in the modern era"? (It's still true, but I think a link that includes champions after 2012 would be better.)
 * I've used the one from this year stating this from the final. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Add source for "The previous year's championship was won by England's Judd Trump, who defeated Scotland's John Higgins in the final 18–9"
 * Not sure why I didn't cite this earlier. Must have been an oversight. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * (I wasn't sure about the phrase "several frames" here but I see it's used in the FA-rated articles for 2017, 2018 and 2019 so it's OK here too.)
 * What makes SnookerTrips.com a reliable source?
 * Removed - no idea on the validity, but already cited elsewhere. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * In the Snooker Scene reference, rather than "|issue=August 2020 |publisher=Halesowen: Snooker Scene Ltd.", I think it should be "|date=August 2020 |publisher=Snooker Scene Ltd. |location=Halesowen"
 * Done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe "In other countries, Matchroom Sport.." to "In all other countries ..." - at first I took this to mean "some other countries" whereas the source supports it being all others.
 * done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks fine.
 * "..with 16 players progressing." Maybe a slight amendment to "..with 16 players progressing into the main draw." (Might be too picky, but every player who won a match progressed to the next round.)
 * Done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As " Challenge Tour play-off" is currently redlinked, consider expanding "won the Challenge Tour play-off to gain a two-year professional tour card" to include a brief explanation.
 * I'm not sure what else you could say? He won a tournament before qualifying that gave him a tour card. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe link Challenge Tour (snooker)? The reader may not know what the challenge tour is. But if your point is that the article already says he won a tournament to give him the card then that's OK, we can't go to absolute detail on everything. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:23, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd rather not. Someone will make the article at some point, we could redirect it, but I don't see the need. Redlinks are a thing for a reason Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why "including a 6–4 win over Michael Georgiou" but no details here about White's other win?
 * I've added both names. I don't think the score of his first match is in the cite. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "is the first Swiss player to play the mainstages of the tournament" Maybe "..became the first Swiss player" and "main stage".
 * Done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "and [Ford] attempted a maximum break" - I think something like "was on track for ..." would be more appropriate unless there's a source where Ford says he was aiming for a maximum. (I'm reminded of that old snooker hall comment made after someone pots the first red and a black - "he's on for a maximum".)
 * Sure, I've needed a better way of saying this for a while - thanks. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Could re-order refs [49][48][53] at the end of the second para for tidiness.
 * Done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added "added at" between Williams' comments.
 * Ideal Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Four-time champion [Higgins]" and "two-time finalist [Stevens]" - those achievements are not included in the cited source.
 * Done some changes here. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "requiring foul shots" - maybe expand slightly to something like "requiring Stevens to make foul shots"
 * Reworded Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "The 2010 winner Neil Robertson" not verified by cited source.
 * It was in the later source, so I've moved. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Both players made a break of 102 in frames 10 and 11, with four century breaks in a row" needs rewording.
 * Done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "averaged less than 14 seconds per shot" - add a bit of context, even though the article goes on to cover this being the quickest best-of-19. (Perhaps this is a source?)
 * I've added something (was kinda hoping Snooker Scene would do me a solid for this one. I've done my best, but not too happy with it) Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "This was the first time since Stephen Hendry in 2012 that there was a maximum at the event." True, but consider rewording.
 * Reworded Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Reword to remove duplication of "next two" in the sentence about the Higgins/Maflin match. It also appears in the following sentence. "next three" also appears in consecutive sentences. ("Next" is in the article quite a few times, maybe use some more synonyms?)
 * Done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "World number one" not verified by the cited source. Also, consider introducing this description earlier in the article.
 * Removed Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Kyren Wilson received a bye through the first round" - add the reason (i.e. Hamilton's withdrawal, mentioned earlier)
 * Done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Could re-order refs [94][93] for tidiness.
 * Unable to verify " a record 28th consecutive appearance at the event" via "Live Snooker: World Championship". Snooker on Eurosport. 1 August 2020. 133 minutes in. Eurosport. Eurosport 1 HD" as it's unavailable. Is there a more accessible source? (I expected to find one easily, but didn't.)
 * No. And I know it's one of those things that O'Sullivan fans think is super important (I tried to remove it). I also thought it would be easy to cite (hoping again for Snooker Scene to the rescue). Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, AGF for this. (this confirms 28th, but not that it was a record.). BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * CGTN source is OK but see Reliable_sources/Noticeboard - it may become deprecated.
 * I will replace as/when it is deprecated. I think there's some NPOV issues with the discussion. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "The pair were calmed..." - not sure about this, given the description in the source including the way McGill subsequently followed Clarke out of the arena.
 * Reworded. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The source only talks about the Crucible curse going back to 1977, whereas I think the article rightly says that the "curse" extends back further. May need a further source. (And although off-topic for this review, Crucible curse may need an update).
 * The Crucible curse only applies to the Crucible. So, 1977. I've changed. Personally, I think it's a lot of media hullabaloo, but it's what people talk about. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "most century breaks of any player this season", "just one short of Neil Robertson's record in 2013–14" - not supported by live version of the source, and the archive link redirects to the live version.
 * Added a ref. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * AGF on The Telegraph for 9 August. (Archive only shows the start of the article for me, may need a "registration" or "subscription" marker in the citation)
 * Tagged Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "would later consider that the comments were also aimed at himself" - that's not my reading of the source, what's this derived from?
 * Added a ref. There's a BBC article on exactly this, but I can't find it. Got a similar one though. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "contested their first quarter-finals" - add something to say world championship or Crucible, as both have previously reached ranking tournament quarter finals.
 * Done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Kyren Wilson, who had reached this stage once before in 2018", "Anthony McGill who had not reached the semi-finals previously" - not supported by source cited.
 * Removed Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "McGill made his first two century breaks of the tournament in the final session" - not supported by source cited.
 * Used cite from centuries. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * " despite there being a lot of kicks" - not sure if this is "despite", as the source comments that this affected both players.
 * Reworded Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "O'Sullivan rasped his hand" - "rapped"?
 * Whoops. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "first-time finalist" - not supported by source cited.
 * Added cite Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Add wikilinks or tooltips for "w/o" and "w/d".
 * done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Is livesnooker.com a reliable source?
 * Aside from being attached to bet365, I've never seen it be called unreliable. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * the link with bet365 adds to credibility IMO as the gambling is highly regulated in the UK. The information it's supporting is not controversial. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks fine
 * Looks fine
 * Live version of the source for Qualifying stage centuries says there were 51 (not 53).
 * Changed Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe add something like "..of World Snooker Tour"? Readers might otherwise expect this to go directly to a page specifically about the 2020 World Snooker Championship.
 * Done Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "clearance" and "Steve Davis" have duplinks.
 * Fixed Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Images - logo use is fine as established at FA articles (e.g. 2018 World Snooker Championship). No issues found with the photos.
 * There are recent reversions in the article history, but nothing that looks like a current edit war. (Having had another look at the page history since writing this, need to keep an eye on this. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC))
 * Yeah, looks like that's been resolved. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)


 * , apologies for the delay, I've covered this Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I'm happy with all of the responses - one further question about Challenge Tour above, but it's not a blocker. A cite error relating to "wst._Wils" has crept in. I've now had a look at the lead (as I prefer to do this last) and there seem to be a few points there that aren't included in the body of the article and are unreferenced. (See above.) Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * All done . Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I'm not seeing the support for "aged 45, he became the oldest player" (re Higgins' 147) in the cited source - or is it in the video on that page? That's the only pending issue. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * With the additional reference added, I'm happy to pass this for GA. Thanks and well done . Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)