Talk:2021 AFL Grand Final

The name of the stadium
Our article is called Perth Stadium, with Optus Stadium being a redirect to it. A critical element of this event is that it is in Perth. We should make that clear right at the start of the article and throughout it. Calling it Optus Stadium is not at all clear as to where it is. It is not in the city of Optus. I made the changes I felt made sense. reverted them, declaring in an Edit summary that we should use the contemporary name. I don't live in Perth. Nor do most people who will read this article. I would never call this arena Optus Stadium. I doubt that a lot of other readers would. I have no idea how a redirect of ours, a commercial name, became the contemporary name, whatever that means. I submit we should use our primary name, and the obviously more helpful name for most readers. Nobody will be confused by Perth Stadium. Many will be confused by Optus Stadium. HiLo48 (talk) 07:51, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * We've had this debate several times before and the end outcome has always been that short timescale articles use the sponsored name of the time they're set in (i.e. the contemporary name). This is the long held consensus. Aspirex (talk) 09:25, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * - You cannot convince me my logic is wrong with a claim about an alleged long held consensus. You have completely ignored my comment about telling readers where the game is. Right now, because of your rigid adherence to this apparent consensus, it takes to the end of the third (long) sentence to tell people what city the game is in, and that's one of the most important aspects of this game. I explained my position quite thoroughly. Your approach has been quite rude. HiLo48 (talk) 10:08, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * It is not confusing. If a critical element of the event is that it is in Perth, then that problem is solved because the first sentence of the article mentions that Optus Stadium is in Perth. There are many stadium names that don't mention the city they are in. Docklands Stadium is not in a city called Docklands. Stadium Australia is not in a city called Australia. This problem is solved by simply mentioning the city in the first sentence along with the stadium. "I doubt that a lot of other readers would". My experience is that in real life, almost everyone calls it Optus Stadium. Almost all sources refer to the stadium as Optus Stadium, except the ABC. It is commonly known as Optus Stadium. Steelkamp (talk) 07:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Small text for brackets
The precedent set for the other Grand Final articles is that all have those brackets in small text. Should those ones be changed as well? Thanks. Loqiical (talk) 11:28, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

We had a discussion earlier in the year re: MOS:SMALL at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football/Archive 8, recognizing that the precedent was against general Wikipedia style guides. So there's a gradual shift towards meeting the MOS in future. Aspirex (talk) 11:35, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2021
Eskimo Joe performed “Kick” featuring saxophonist, Erin Royer.

The text currently says:

Eskimo Joe performed "Black Fingernails, Red Wine" and INXS's "Kick".

Please change to:

Eskimo Joe performed "Black Fingernails, Red Wine" and INXS's "Kick", featuring saxophonist Erin Royer. Superwoman9011 (talk) 23:50, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I have added that. Steelkamp (talk) 01:57, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2021
Change profess to process in paragraph 4.3 Macca 95 (talk) 11:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Good article nomination
There is no way this can be a good article while nobody is posting it at In the news/Candidates. Its nomination has been sitting unloved for some time. It's now three days since the event! Find out the concerns there, and address them. I also cannot accept that this is a good article while it uses a misleading redirect for the stadium name. (See above.) HiLo48 (talk) 03:27, 28 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree that this article is not close to meeting the standards of a good article. I recommend this nomination be withdrawn. The match summary should be expanded and written better. The entertainment section should include reactions and reviews to the entertainment. The media coverage section needs to talk more about the television coverage, including mentioning all the commentators in the infobox. The entire article needs a copyedit. There are other things I have not mentioned.


 * I disagree with HiLo48's assertion that the stadium should not be called by its sponsored name. That should not stop the article from reaching Good article status. Steelkamp (talk) 07:34, 28 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The sponsored name is a redirect. We should use the primary and obviously much more helpful name for our readers. HiLo48 (talk) 08:44, 28 September 2021 (UTC)


 * A lot of footy articles suffer from "footyspeak" - the kind of language used during commentary "scoreboard pressure", "gaining the ascendancy", "game changing move", "every day of the week", "recent acquisition" just to name a few. The language doesn't need to be rigid and formal but neither must it stray in the other direction. 2001:8004:15A0:103E:F9F0:E75D:DC65:66B (talk) 11:44, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Third Quarter
It talks about momentum shift (which is absolutely true), but feel an important (but unmentioned) aspect of that was a very quick succession of 3 goals shortly before 3q time (reported in different media slightly differently (3 in 30 secs, 3 in the last min etc), but almost certainly the moment where everything shifted into Melbourne's court). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.211.120.74 (talk) 06:01, 16 October 2021 (UTC)