Talk:2021 Hong Kong electoral changes

Requested move 13 July 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved to 2021 Hong Kong electoral changes

The discussion is not well focussed on WP:TITLE but three editors including the proposer support a move to 2021 Hong Kong electoral changes and no editor opposes this or supports retaining the current article name, so there is a consensus for the move. (non-admin closure) Havelock Jones (talk) 08:46, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

2021 Hong Kong electoral reform → ? – Not sure what the new name should be, but "reform" (especially "electoral reform") strongly suggests an improvement to Hong Kong's electoral system from the point of view of its citizens, not its authorities. This is misleading and may break WP:NPOVTITLE. On two separate occasions I've happened across a link to this article while browsing elsewhere, and had to do a complete double-take before I remembered what actually happened. The first name that I think of is the incredibly-generic 2021 Hong Kong electoral changes, but definitely open to more suggestions. Zowayix001 (talk) 05:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Colonestarrice (talk) 22:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. The term "reform" does indicate improvement, and even a cursory glance at how reliable new sources are coving this indicates that not all parties share that value judgment. I think "changes" would be a suitable neutral alternative. ╠╣uw [ talk ] 11:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - It seems good to me that quite a number of related sources showed up when I searched the term "electoral changes", but the term "electoral reform" seems to be the more common way saying these related changes. When I search on Wikipedia for the term "electoral changes", no articles use this as an article except for the name of two bills. Majority of them use "electoral reform". For Hong Kong, as the articles listed in, it has become a practice to name with the term, although changes like 2010 Hong Kong electoral reform haven't been great. This therefore might still not be moved due to WP:COMMONNAME. Sun8908 &#8239;Talk 18:10, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - brainstorming alternatives: what about "electoral redistribution" or "electoral revamp"? Horserice (talk) 07:37, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * How about something along the lines of "National People's Congress mandated changes to Hong Kong's electoral system"? --  Ohc  revolution of our times 19:33, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Hong Kong has been notified of this discussion. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:56, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support Calling it a "reform" is controversial; a Google news search shows "Hong Kong electoral reform" and "Hong Kong electoral changes" are roughly equally popular in the media. Given the two terms are approximately equally popular, I think we should prefer the more neutral one, which means "changes" wins. The fact that other similar articles (whether about Hong Kong or other places) are titled "electoral reform" doesn't amount to much in my opinion; arguably these particular changes have been far more controversial, even at an international level, than previous changes in Hong Kong, or other changes elsewhere, so it is justified in using a more neutral title for this one in particular. So I say 2021 Hong Kong electoral changes should be the new title. I think User:Horserice's suggestions of "revamp" or "redistribution" are less appropriate because unlike "changes" they are far less used by the media (also "redistribution" has some technical meanings and I'm not sure how appropriate those technical meanings are here); User:Ohconfucius's proposal of "National People's Congress mandated changes to Hong Kong's electoral system" is too much of a mouthful. "Hong Kong electoral reform" and "Hong Kong electoral changes" are the common names, we should pick one, so I say we should pick the second as more neutral, rather than trying to find some alternative which won't be a common name. Mr248 (talk) 00:32, 5 September 2021 (UTC)