Talk:2021 Men's Rugby League World Cup

Maps
It would be nice to have a map showing the countries who participated in the qualification for the RLWC2021 in one colour and those countries who successfully qualified in a second colour, and a third colour for the host nation.

It would also be sensible to have a map of Leeds with the two Leeds Stadia located on it (Similar to the Greater Manchester map), rather than to have the two stadia on the larger host map.

Unfortunately I don't know how to two either of the above.

82.2.144.57 (talk) 21:16, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Sponsors
This section was removed as it was deemed that official press statements on the RLWC and Government websites declaring the sponsorship was not enough to validate the information. Please advise what else is required, happy to learn and collate the additional sources required and was just trying to add useful information.

Partners and Sponsors

82.2.144.57 (talk) 20:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * All you've got is a bunch of press releases or invites to tender or some synthesis of those. Explain why this list is notable information about the tournaments? If you want to say that some of the funding comes from the UK government (DCMS) and support that statement with a source (preferably not just the press release) that might be worthwhile but don't create a title like "Offical Funding Partner" for this.  Most of the rest like Eversheds, Deloittes are just administrative arrangements. Nthep (talk) 21:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

May 2015
especulation or not — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.67.124.100 (talk) 23:24, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

16TH Place Playoff
Should 6 teams pre-qualify via the Quarter- Finals from Asia Pacific and Lebanon qualify via the Quarter Finals in 2017 that a play-off be held hosted by Middle East/Africa between the highest placed team in Middle/East Africa excluding Lebanon, the 3rd placed team in the Americas and the 7th placed team in Asia-Pacific. http://rlif.com/article/8247/statement-from-the-rlif-board-meeting---march-th-

Does this mean Europe does not get seven teams but only 6? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.130.187.106 (talk) 04:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It appears that way, but it is best to wait for confirmation from the RLIF. They might end up adding a European team to the playoff or some other option. Mattlore (talk) 19:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Split proposal
This article is, imo, at serious risk of becoming unwieldy by including too many topics that maybe considered peripheral to the main topic i.e. the men's tournament. I propose splitting off the sections on the Legacy Projects and Esports into a new article Legacy of the 2021 Rugby League World Cup and creating separate articles on the PDRL tournament and the Festival of World Cups. Nthep (talk) 14:25, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think splitting off the sections suggested would be good and there to be link to the Women's World Cup as well Rtande (talk) 05:53, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

I've split an amount of content off from this diff to start a new article Legacy of the 2021 Rugby League World Cup. Nthep (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

2nd split proposal
Perhaps partnerships, broadcasting, and ambassadors should each have their own articles too, if this is the structure being followed? As all three of those areas equally apply to the three competitions within the wider tournament (not just the men's), so could be linked with a 'main article' to all three and just a small introduction on each of the main articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.108.67 (talk) 12:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Separate article for each, no. A separate article on the organisation of the RLWC then possibly yes. The issue is notability, much of this information about partnerships, ambassadors etc is nothing but press releases from the organisers and not anything commented on by independent sources. You therefore have to question whether it is worthy of inclusion in any article. Nthep (talk) 14:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Group stages input and formatting
I propose that the results of the group matches are listed using Section transclude as per this diff showed for Groups A & B before there was an objection as the formatting differs from 2017 Rugby League World Cup. This allows the information to be inputted just once (at the group article) and it will be automatically transcluded to this article. This reduces the risk of miskeying and also saves time. If it is absolutely essential that the formatting matches the 2017 article then small could be used as a a wrapper. Personally I do not see any reason other than stylistic reasons to use which is something urged against by MOS:FONTSIZE. Nthep (talk) 15:11, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I’m ok with the addition of these matchboxes, so long as we do the same for 2017, 2013, etc. I agree with your point about it being easier to update, and it doesn’t clutter the page like I initially thought it may. WDM10 (talk) 22:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Formatting
As @Djbolkas seems to have an issue about formatting, rather than edit war, I'll start a discussion again. The section on pre-tournament games I see no reason not to use rugbyleaguebox rather than create a table for this matches. The only parroted edit summary I see is "consistency with other articles" and "conciseness". I can't see what information that could be put in a rugbyleaguebox makes the content any less concise than what will probably end up in the table other than placing a  round the templates.

Group matches, why not transclude content through from the articles on the group stages? Why the insistence on re-entering identical content across multiple pages? Nthep (talk) 13:36, 24 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the pre-tournament games might be best using Rugbyleaguebox collapsible. Storm machine (talk) 07:20, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * that would work. Nthep (talk) 19:49, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Reduce the introduction
I propose that the opening section is reduced to simply explain that the tournament was delayed due to the COVID 19 pandemic, and then a separate section created to talk about the COVID delay and what happened and measures the tournament were attempting to implement too, potentially going into the date changes of key matches and venue change implications. It's a far more complex situation than the opening statement suggests; in terms of the pandemic itself, why it needed to be postponed (differing national strategies), and what needed to happen to move the tournament. The topic is very unique and article worthy. However other than a basic reference at the top to explain why it's the 2021 tournament in 2022, I'm not sure it needs to say more than that in the opening section about the wider tournament eg. Does it need to comment that that NZ and Australia pulled out at the top of the article now that it's been rearanged etc. That should sit elsewhere. 62.60.62.114 (talk) 08:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Be BOLD Nthep (talk) 11:47, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Logo update
I propose that the logo is updated by someone to include the version that says it's the Rugby League World Cup and the location of the tournament. This would bring it I to line with the logos used for previous tournament articles rather than just using the trophy part of the logo only. I also propose the logo is added to the women's and wheelchair articles as all three are bring run as a single tournament (from an administrative point of view) and share branding, hence the three ribbon colours on the trophy image currently used. 62.60.62.114 (talk) 08:46, 29 August 2022 (UTC)


 * You mean this one ?
 * Using any logo on the other two articles falls foul of WP:NFC #17, that's why previous women's tournament articles don't carry the logo. Nthep (talk) 11:47, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Article revamp proposal
I would like to propose a change to the article so that the main article reflects on a single page a overview of not just the mens tournament but the womens and wheelchair tournaments in a way that’s similar to that used for the Olympic articles (ie Rugby sevens at the 2020 Summer Olympics) so that each tournament has a separate article yet the main article reflects the whole thing and would bring it all together. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 22:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC))


 * Seems fair, an overarching article 2021 Rugby League World Cups to cover all the common elements like organisation, sponsors etc. Nthep (talk) 08:00, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better as then it will give equal weight to all three tournaments, the titles of the individual tournament articles should be “2021 Rugby League World Cup - Men’s tournament”,  “2021 Rugby League World Cup - Women’s tournament” and finally “2021 Rugby League World Cup - Wheelchair tournament”, the main article possibly could then focus more on the background, organisation, sponsors etc and would keep the duplication down to a minimum h and the logo needs a conversion into an svg image too. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 08:33, 2 September 2022 (UTC))


 * A Draft:2021 Rugby League World Cups article has now been started (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 11:19, 2 September 2022 (UTC))
 * @MOTORAL1987 as you have copied and pasted most of the draft from the existing article, please make an edit then acknowledge the c&p in the edit summary e.g. "content copied from 2021 Rugby League World Cup revision, see page history of that page for attribution" This is an attribution requirement for reusing content from another article, see WP:CWW. Nthep (talk) 16:12, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I apologise that I didn’t declare this however I only did that because I needed that as a starting base, if you look at the draft now it is now different as parts of the duplicated texts have now been removed as we go forward with this. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:52, 2 September 2022 (UTC))
 * Support these changes and would recommend the draft being implemented. Makes sense given how this event has been promoted and would be wrong to assume the men's tournament to just be "2021 Rugby League World Cup". I think we should now request a move for this article now the tournament has kicked off.
 * by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 19:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have renamed the Men's, Women's, and Wheelchair tournaments. Next task is to modify all the "what links here" on the 2021 Rugby League World Cup redirect, in order to free up the name as per WP:USURPTITLE
 * by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 19:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Renamed again with the right dashes. See next edit along from linked diffs above.
 * by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Aus PM XIII v PNG PM XIII
Is this match really a warm up game? Neither team is a country that is playing in the tournament. Nthep (talk) 08:11, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * On a quick count, 13 of the PNG PM's XIII men's side were selected in the World Cup squad. Six England based squad players did not play in the PM's XIII match.
 * Only six of the Australian PM's XIII carried on, but their selection excluded the top 4 NRL teams.
 * All 20 players in the PNG women's side made it into the Orchids squad. So it was clearly a warm-up for them, if not Australia.
 * So, for consistency, I would say, yes, it is a warm-up match in the same way Greece vs Bradford and Scotland vs England Knights in considered a warm-up match. Nhoj1898 (talk) 21:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Article Name
While I support the current name "2021 Rugby League World Cup – Men's tournament" we need to implement consistency in this article and the whole series of articles related to the world cup in general. The first line of this article uses "2021 Men's Rugby League World Cup" and the infobox uses "2021 Rugby League World Cup". A lot of links have been left going to the wrong pages now that "2021 Rugby League World Cup" is now a different page. I don't think much can be done now until the Merge Talk between the "2021 Rugby League World Cup" and "2021 Festival of World Cups" is concluded (currently 2 to 0 in favour). Mn1548 (talk) 13:35, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Actually on second thoughts, I support the use of 2021 [Men's/Women's/Wheelchair] Rugby League World Cup over 2021 Rugby League World Cup - [Men's/Women's/Wheelchair] Tournament as the former is what the tournament's are actually refered to and the names are more precise.


 * I am still also in favour of having a separate 2021 Rugby League World Cup article to give an overview of all three major tournaments and think that the 20[08/13/15] Festival of World Cups articles should be adapted in this way to do this also. Mn1548 (talk) 14:30, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I would just like to add a few thoughts on the "a lot of links have been left going to the wrong places".
 * I added the "converted" hatnote template on the wider article but later removed it after reflecting on the what links here most closely. They aren't necessarily "wrong", they just aren't necessarily specific. It still works to link a good chunk of articles talking about the Men's World Cup to the World Cup tournament.
 * For example, 'x player appeared at the 2021 Rugby League World Cup' is still correct. They appeared in the men's/women's/wheelchair tournament but that tournament is still the 2021 Rugby League World Cup. It is essentially like a 100m sprinter article talking about how they appeared at the [linked: Tokyo Olympics] and not specifically the 100m event or athletics article or whatever. These are essentially the majority of the links to the converted page. Since it has been in my subscription box it has been every additional what links here that has been added after the articles were split/converted. Comment by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 14:13, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I think it makes sense to call it 2021 Mens Rugby League World Cup. It’s what it will be called in the media and more often referred to as Northern Wonder (talk) 09:35, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Support for all three. Vote by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 14:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


 * That's a good point actually that's it's more non specific than wrong. Also, what do you mean by "support all three"? Mn1548 (talk) 18:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I support the same change to the men's, women and wheelchair tournaments. Although having said that I would also support the keeping them the same as both tournaments and the men's, women's, wheelchair format is used interchangeably on the official rlwc2021 website and by the media and both have precedent on wiki in other sports. Just so long as all three are consistent. Comment by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 18:52, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly, consistentcy is the key here. That's why I'm not a big fan of 2021 RLWC - ... tournament as that format is only used for 2021 and previous years have used 2017 RLWC or 2017 Women's RLWC for example. I don't see why it should be changed this year because their are 4 tournament with Wikipedia articles instead of two. Mn1548 (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * My point exactly, plus now there is an article for the PDRLWC which uses that format and not the new one which is only being used for men's, women's, and wheelchair in 2021. Mn1548 (talk) 18:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Final standings table
Why? Nowhere else gives a 'league table' of all 16 teams, so why has one been created here? It's artificial and synthesis of the group tables. Before I read the 'consistent format' argument, I don't care that previous world cup articles have a table like this as either they are properly sourced and/or should be deleted as they are also synthesised. It's not Wikipedia's place to create new statistics. Nthep (talk) 10:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)