Talk:2021 North Indian Ocean cyclone season

Locations of advisories

 * Tropical cyclone outlooks: IMD // JTWC
 * IMD
 * TCAC advisories: 1 // 2
 * GMDSS bulletins: 1 // 2
 * Quadrant wind bulletin: 1
 * JTWC
 * Warnings: 1 // 2 // 3
 * Reasonings: 1 // 2 // 3
 * TCFAs: 1 // 2
 * Seven-day archives: IMD (DEMS) // IMD (VIDP) // JTWC

Cyclone Tauktae (pronunced Tau-te)
Do you guys that Tauktae will form on first week of April. GFS, ECMWF and now IMD predicts that a low pressure will form, although the RSMC stated that there's a low chance of formation within next 72 to 120 hrs. What do you guys think?. Bera niladri19  🌀🌀 11:19, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * BOB 01-2021 has formed and is currently forecast to strengthen further into a deep depression. Grifforzer (talk) 03:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * This is an interesting question, but Wikipedia is not for speculation, and is not a forum for general discussion on topics. If you would like to chat about this further, you can do it through other methods such as off-wiki forums. Thank you. CodingCyclone!  🌀 📘 22:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * BOB 01 has now dissipated. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  10:27, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Unlock the semi protection FAST.
That is what I want right now. Cyclocane (talk) 03:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Not so fast, what you wanna add here ? Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 03:41, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit reverted
,, Hey, you guys can't revert that. Last time when an IP added this then you guys didn't revert as WP:CRYSTAL or WP:OR violation. Then why are you reverting this ? Bera niladri19  🌀🌀 12:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Just because an edit wasn't reverted for violating a policy doesn't mean any other edits similar to that should also not be reverted. I agree that that IP edit should have been removed, and I think the same with this one. It's still a violation of CRYSTAL and OR, regardless of whether or not a similar edit was not reverted or if it was in invisible markup anyway.  Akber mamps  13:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok I agree with you. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 13:21, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , this is Violation WP:CRSTAL WP:OR this is need to revert  HurricaneEdgar    13:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , It would be the same for Cyclone Tauktae. Predicting is also a violation of WP:CRYSTAL and also for some extent it is a WP:OR Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 13:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Still WP:CRYSTALBALL. Just because an unregistered user did it doesn't make it justifiable. You should know better than a new user, SMH. They also doesn't deserve to be bitten, since theres a high chance it wasn't vandalism. Hurricaneboy23 (page) * (talk) 13:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , i agree with Hurricaneboy23  HurricaneEdgar    13:25, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , It wasn't a vandalism but it was a WP:CRYSTAL and WP:OR. It's our mistake that we didn't revert it Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 13:27, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Update in the satellite imagery
Cyclone Tauktae has now been a well marked low pressure area and the satellite imagery which shows all the cyclone tracks at one place hasn't been updated. Please look into the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous in the world (talk • contribs) 05:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Too long sub page
Pls don't remove it, but still the effects are so much, that some bit must be removed. But it will also don't make any sense so I'll try User:Akbermamps to do something. In a meantime don't revert my edit Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 12:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , the article is too long this is need clean up WP:AS that why we create the article cyclone tauktae  HurricaneEdgar    12:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:SIZERULE  HurricaneEdgar    12:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I have contacted User:Akbermamps to do something. We aren't expert in remove lines without making it nonsense. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 12:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe that the impacts paragraph should at least be trimmed down to remove material that isn't necessarily descriptive or important to the impacts. An example of unimportant sentences that should be trimmed is the one about Wankhede Stadium, it's more suited to be part of the main article since it's just a specific effect for a small area. Another example is with the sentences about winds and power outages, they could be condensed into just "X area recieved N winds, Y area recieved O winds..." or "Power outages occurred in B area, C area, D area...". Important material that should definitely be kept are records, deaths, and damages since they're basically the things most people look for in the season article, more detailed or obscure information should go into the longer and bigger coverage cyclone article.  Akber mamps  12:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , Yeah, pls do it ASAP Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 12:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , argee per WikiProject_Tropical_cyclones/Style  HurricaneEdgar    12:46, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we should split it, for eg :- I have explained the Pakistan impacts and also other impacts in Maldives and Sri Lanka in detail, it should be go to the "Elsewhere" section. And records should be kept, but you can remove the "Wankhede section part" and it's up to you whether you will remove the "Barge P305" or it will remain. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 12:48, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , it you i thick this is great idea pls read WP:SPLIT   HurricaneEdgar    12:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , Sorry to revert your edit but there's some things need to stay. For eg :- impact of South India, Maharashtra, Gujarat (specially the Saurashtra region) should stay. Also the elsewhere impact should also stay. I'll try to trim it as short as possible Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 13:48, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft for Cyclone Yaas
Hey guys, I have created a draft, since it is a major threat to Odisha and West Bengal. If you want to edit you can do so... Bera niladri19  🌀🌀 10:22, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Regarding TC 03B
Guys, pls don't add this system until it's officially recognized by RSMC New Delhi (aka IMD). We don't add unofficial systems unlike in the WPAC. Thank you. Bera niladri19  🌀🌀 10:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps put it in an other systems section while we wait for the IMD to designate it? We can't really ignore what the JTWC is saying.  Akber mamps  10:40, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't think so, we have never done like that.  Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 10:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We always add in unofficial systems regardless of what the IMD says about the system, since we have to maintain a neutral point of view and cover all tropical cyclones. In particular I note that Vamei is included in the 2001 NIO despite never being monitored by the IMD.Jason Rees (talk) 11:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

i thick we need add, in the seasons in case IMD did upgraded  HurricaneEdgar    11:14, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I have added it. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 11:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that we do not need to add it to an other systems section, which is commonly used for systems that have dissipated and do not have much information around about them. This is a currently active system, that thanks to the JTWC's change in procedures now has prognostics reasoning and a lot more information available about it. As a result, I would stop panicking about leaving it in the normal section and poke the IMD in to monitoring it.Jason Rees (talk) 11:20, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , Plus, according to their national bulletin they have upgraded to a WML and predicted to become a depression, so that makes sense. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 11:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Gulab article
Hi. Is Gulab worthy of an article? Please comment about your opinions. Hurricane4235 (talk) 11:00, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , There's a draft for Cyclone Gulab. To edit click here  Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 12:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Cyclone Gulab and Shaheen same storm?
It seen too confusing on this, to prevent a edit war if the Gulab same ARB 02? HurricaneEdgar   06:23, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * -- HurricaneEdgar    06:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , (edit conflict) IMD classify ARB 02 as an new system, plus Gulab didn't remain as a depression while crossing the Indian peninsula, instead it was downgraded to a WML day before yesterday. It makes clear sense that Gulab is not ARB 02. For simplifying compare this with Hurricane Grace and TS Marty  Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 06:29, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

but i found the article here Cyclone Yemyin which is same here  HurricaneEdgar    06:43, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , Since the citation over the article of Cyclone Yemyin isn't working. We can't compare Yemyin with Potential Storm Shaheen Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 06:46, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's better to compare it with Hurricane Grace/Storm Marty, as the exact thing happened here also. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 06:47, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

if will better if comment on this. -- HurricaneEdgar    06:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * IMD still treats ARB 02 as Gulab in its satellite bulletins so people in IMD should have acknowledged that it’s the same system, but how Gulab and future-Shaheen should be treated on Wikipedia can be discussed further. 🐱💬 08:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , National Bulletin and RSMC bulletin don't do that, so that means IMD is basically treating ARB 02 as a separate system. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 09:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I used the term ‘acknowledged’. 🐱💬 09:43, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , I meant to say that the national bulletin and RSMC bulletin has acknowledged it as a separate system Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 09:53, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * As per rsmc New Delhi, a name used once time, will not be used for the second time. Dam222 🌋 (talk) 10:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , The name is the not the issue here, the issue is whether Gulab and ARB 02 are the same storm or not Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 10:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Let's just wait and see how things develop rather than panicking over if it is or isn't the same storm. Jason Rees (talk) 11:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * IMD revealed to media that it will be named Shaheen. 🐱💬 12:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

It will make confused, the JTWC kept designated 03B and kept as same storm  HurricaneEdgar    22:54, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Mate, since IMD is the official agency we'll use IMD designation not JTWC's. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 02:53, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

They are the same storm, and they should be treated as such. However, per the IMD's designation system, the storm will get two sections in this article. Even the IMD has said that they have the same origin. Statistically, both phases of the storm will be treated as a single system (such as on Tropical cyclones in 2021). However, Gulab should have only a single article covering both phases of the storm, similar to Amanda/Cristobal and Cyclone Vardah.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 03:19, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Gulab's remnants formed ARB 02. But it will be named a new name if it intensifies into a cyclonic storm (Shaheen). As said, the JTWC is not the official RSMC, but the RSMC is IMD so we are using IMD's designation. Hurricane4235 (talk) 03:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * same discussion in 2016 North Indian Ocean cyclone season Link Talk:2016_North_Indian_Ocean_cyclone_season   HurricaneEdgar    03:42, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , Cyclone Vardah did cross over the Arabian Sea, but as a depression. Here in this case, Gulab is predicted to become Cyclone Shaheen. So then Cyclone Gulab-Shaheen i guess ? Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 03:44, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I believe that would work. But that's *if* the storm gets its own article. Otherwise, it'll have two sections in the season article.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 03:46, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , There's a draft for Cyclone Gulab and a draft for Cyclone Shaheen Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 03:50, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * According to the Satellite Bulletin, Gulab and Shaheen are the same system. They should get the same article, though I'm not sure about the season sections.  Java Hurricane  03:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Should we merge Gulab and Shaheen? or Create a seperate article for Shaheen? Hurricane4235 (talk) 03:58, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

, But the RSMC bulletin and the National Bulletin doesn't acknowledge that, making it more confusing Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 03:59, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * As a matter of fact, the IMD consistently considered the WML that was the remnant of Gulab to have developed into Shaheen, according to the previous outlooks. They do recognise that Shaheen and Gulab are one and the same. And in any case, the Satellite Bulletins should be enough proof of the two storms being the same system.  Java Hurricane  04:01, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think this discussion should go to the WPTC's talk page. The situation is very confusing just like Bulbul and Matmo in 2019 and Amanda and Cristobal in 2020. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 04:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Now the DD had intensified into Cyclone Shaheen. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 04:04, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There is nothing confusing here. The IMD has been consistent in considering the two systems to be the same, as the satellite bulletins and the older RSMC bulletins around the time Gulab degenerated amply showed. As the IMD has clearly and officially said that Shaheen is the same cyclone as Gulab in its bulletins, they should have the same article.  Java Hurricane  04:06, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , Idk, but I don't think we had ever done like that. Any examples (other than Vardah and Amanda/Cristobal) Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 04:44, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Since Shaheen is forecasted by the IMD and JTWC to strengthen to an equivalent of a severe tropical cyclone or even a very severe cyclonic storm, how will this work? Combining Gulab and Shaheen to one article or still a separate one? Shaheen is forecasted to traverse the Gulf of Oman, a rare occurrence. For me, we need to separate them.  🌀  Hurricane  Parrot🐦  06:21, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , That's why this discussion should be shifted to the WPTC's talk page and more WPTC members. It's a sticky limbo Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 06:23, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It is not true that we have never done that. There formerly used to be an arrangement at Cyclone Katrina which was earlier called Cyclone Katrina-Victor-Cindy. We have many cyclones with two names in the SHem (Cyclone Leon-Eline for example), and we also have Hurricane Cesar-Douglas, though admittedly, except Katrina, all these have multiple names due to basin crossovers.  Java Hurricane  06:43, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , So shall we start the merging the two drafts ? Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 06:50, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Now are we merging Gulab and Shaheen or not? Hurricane4235 (talk) 07:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

so i check the Satellite Bulletin is true that Gulab, and Shaheen. is same storm Satellite Bulletin IMD  HurricaneEdgar    06:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * FWIW, the other example of us considering two storms the same when the official forecasters considers them separate but related is Tropical storms Amanda and Cristobal. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:55, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Update: the JTWC kept the name Gulab and designation did not recognize as Shaheen  HurricaneEdgar    09:47, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Support for posible article Cyclone Gulab-Shaheen as JavaHurricane said ''According to the Satellite Bulletin, Gulab and Shaheen are the same system. They should get the same article'' in my opinion they should one article, clearly that is same storm also to prevent a confused the reader, because the JTWC did not recognize as Shaheen. HurricaneEdgar   11:22, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * How many times do we have to tell ?? JTWC is NOT the official RSMC. The RSMC is IMD so we gonna follow whatever IMD says. Hurricane4235 (talk) 13:22, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes the JTWC Is not RSMC fyi there are other cyclone not mention by IMD example Tropical Storm Vaimei also mention JTWC  HurricaneEdgar    12:22, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

IDK whether to merge Gulab and Shaheen. I will go with all of your opinions. Hurricane4235 (talk) 13:23, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft for Cyclone Shaheen
Hey guys, here is the draft for Cyclone Shaheen Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 11:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * In light of the discussion above, I think serious consideration should be given towards titling this Cyclone Gulab-Shaheen. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:32, 1 October 2021 (UTC)