Talk:2021 Tampa Bay Buccaneers–New England Patriots game

Name Change to "2021 Tampa Bay Buccaneers–New England Patriots game"
I do think this game is notable enough to warrant its own page, but I don't think it is the appropriate title, as there are no official sources that call it Tom Brady's Return. I think it would be better off to change the page name to 2021 Tampa Bay Buccaneers–New England Patriots game, similar to the 2007 New England Patriots–New York Giants game which highlighted the Patriots capping off their undefeated season, or the 2018 Kansas City Chiefs–Los Angeles Rams game where over 1000 total yards were gained. Any thoughts? — Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 06:29, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * any objections? Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 16:59, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

NBC marketed the game as "The Return", but that was a very generic marketing name. I chose this name as Google Search returns articles for this game under "Tom Brady return" and I believe a lot of sources do refer to this as "Brady's return to New England" or something along the lines. While I see where you're going with the rename and would understand if it's changed, my preference would be to keep the page named as is. --WuTang94 (talk) 20:06, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I guess my biggest objection to the rename to "2021 Bucs-Pats game" is that it would be somewhat vague and that readers wouldn't get the context of why this game was noteworthy. Just like how I disagreed with how the "NOLA No Call" game was ultimately named, but consensus seemed to dictate how it was named so I went with it. --WuTang94 (talk) 20:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC) Edit: wow, I can't grammar today...


 * If you can link some sources where it is officially called "Tom Brady's Return", then that validate the page even further. "NOLA No-Call" was not consensus from the editors, but from the media. Otherwise we may need to have rename the page. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 21:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I gradually drew back my opposition to renaming "2018 NFC Championship Game" to "NOLA No-Call", as that page eventually focused on the game as a whole rather than the eponymous play. However, I stand by keeping this as "Tom Brady's return" though: just Google it, and you'll find several sources that refer to this particular game as "Tom Brady's return", "Return to New England", "Tom Brady's return to New England", etc.:

--WuTang94 (talk) 22:26, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Tom Brady's return to New England with Buccaneers latest homecoming by an iconic athlete - ESPN
 * Tom Brady's return to New England attracts 28.5 million viewers in the most-watched Sunday night NFL game since 2012 - CNBC
 * Tom Brady, Buccaneers narrowly beat Patriots in his New England return - Associated Press via NY Post
 * Ahead of Tom Brady's return, New England Patriots simply focused on turning season around - NFL.com
 * Tom Brady is hardly ever uncomfortable. His return to New England was. - Washington Post

This is not a moniker of any kind but rather a descriptor. I feel the fact that they are so many variations of said descriptor that kind of weakens it’s case as the game’s official title. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 22:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You can post a request for a move for this page. That way we can get more attention to this discussion and get more points of view.--WuTang94 (talk) 22:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * P.S. I see nothing wrong with a descriptor. Wouldn't "2021 Tampa Bay Buccaneers–New England Patriots game" also technically be a descriptor? Food for thought..
 * I was referring to the fact that there is no official moniker for the game. The sources you sent were more describing the circumstances of the game itself; no source officially called the game "Tom Brady's return". In contrast, there are several sources that call the 2018 championship game as the "NOLA No-Call", specifically that particular play. And another issue I have with the name too: what's to prevent the NFL from scheduling another of Brady's return to Foxborough before he retires due to this new 17-game season format? How will that affect the name of this page? But since we are unable to come to an agreement, perhaps a request to move the page would be the best decision. I will make the request tomorrow, but I must say I do appreciate your opinions and input. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 22:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For sure. I mean no harm, and really appreciate your work on this page to keep it up to snuff with similar pages on NFL games. If anything, I'd be willing to help with the introduction paragraphs to reflect how this game doesn't have an official name. Already working on the page for the 2018 Kansas City Chiefs–Los Angeles Rams game, which also doesn't officially have a name. I do think it's best to discuss this with other users, as you also bring up some good points.--WuTang94 (talk) 22:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have made the requested page move. Feel free to leave your comments and remarks. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 22:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Judging by the consensus it seems like we will be moving it to a new page. I will be moving it when the 7-day window is closed, but I want to again thank you for your input. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 18:43, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Any time! Just wanted to provide another perspective, but I'm fine with the move. --WuTang94 (talk) 19:19, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 27 October 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: MOVED. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 00:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Tom Brady's return → 2021 Tampa Bay Buccaneers–New England Patriots game – I do think this game is notable enough to warrant its own page, but I don't think it is the appropriate title, as there are no official sources that call it Tom Brady's Return. I think it would be better off to change the page name to 2021 Tampa Bay Buccaneers–New England Patriots game, similar to the 2007 New England Patriots–New York Giants game which highlighted the Patriots capping off their undefeated season, or the 2018 Kansas City Chiefs–Los Angeles Rams game where over 1000 total yards were gained. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 22:01, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I'll likely die on this hill, but as stated in the above conversation, I do think that the title "Tom Brady's return" is more searchable on the internet, and that the sources I listed above, which can be found by searching those words, do call the game by some variation, such as "Brady's return to New England". NBC Sports also marketed this game as "The Return", which was the page's original title, but somewhat vague in context (in addition to ignoring other returns such as Brett Favre's first return to Green Bay in 2009 or Peyton Manning's return to Indianapolis in 2013). I would, however, be open to changing the page's names to one of those monikers, and if the vast majority of users prefer one name, I'll roll with it.--WuTang94 (talk) 04:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. I would also point out "Tom Brady's return" is ambiguous. It could be referring to the 2009 season opener, when Brady was returning from injury, or the week 5 game in 2016 when he returned from his Deflategate suspension. -- Calidum  16:27, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and Calidum. Unless there's a nearly-universal name (like The Immaculate Reception) we should stick to the descriptive name. User:力 (power~enwiki,  π,  ν ) 01:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support The moniker "The Return" was only used in NBC marketing leading up to the game. The name has not really gained much traction elsewhere. It would not be improper, however, to at least mention that the game was dubbed "The Return" somewhere in the prose. Tom Brady's return will live on as a re-direct page, which will catch anyone looking for it by that name. Doctorindy↔Talk 20:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Changing the main image
I still haven't figured out how images work on Wikipedia. But is there a way that we can change the main image to one where Brady embraces Belihcick after the game? Would give better visual context as to what the importance of the game is.

The photo seems widely available, here are some examples:


 * NFL fans ripped Bill Belichick for his quick and awkward hug with Tom Brady after 'SNF' loss
 * Tom Brady and Bill Belichick share short hug after Patriots vs Bucs
 * Bill Belichick And Tom Brady Handshake After The Game Was Very Short

Not sure how the fair use thing works, so if anyone can bring pointers, that will be appreciated. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 17:09, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I doubt that any publicly available images fall under the fair use criteria: WP:NFCI. We would need to get one of the photographers of the images to release their work under the Creative Commons license. Natg 19 (talk) 18:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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