Talk:2021 Virginia gubernatorial election/Archive 1

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedy deleted as lacking sufficient context to identify its subject, because it's being nominated by an unregistered mobile editor. GoodDay (talk) 20:11, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Endorsements
Please note that WP:ENDORSE required that endorsements from individuals be sourced to independent RS, and cannot be sourced to tweets. Please add any (reliable) media coverage where available; all endorsements that have no such reference must be removed. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * They also must be notable so I’m going to go ahead and remove anyone not linked. If you think someone should qualify for a page that doesn’t exist yet, please add as a red link. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Revert
Hi, I saw you reverted this edit, but I can’t tell what the problem with it was. If you could clear that up for me, that’d be great. Thanks. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Good afternoon . The edit I reverted added Serio de la Peña as a candidate under the Democratic primary. Colonel de la Peña is already listed as running in the Republican convention, which is the correct information as indicated by the cited source. Additionally, I stated "grief" which may or may not be an accurate description as well as the "experience" listed for Colonel de la Peña painted him in a positive light, not a neutral one. I would also like to thank you and for coming to help make sure this article is more proper and cleaner. ThisUserIsTaken (Talk) 20:02, 14, January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, indeed I missed the double-listing—thanks for the catch, as well as the kind words. Much appreciated! Innisfree987 (talk) 20:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Additional campaign logos
The website for Princess Blanding has a unique campaign logo which should be included for consistency. Merle Rutledge also has a campaign logo, though it's just some text and then the symbol of the Republican Party, so I'm not sure whether or not that should be included. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't include Rutledge's logo for the sake of not knowing if he has the consent of the Republican Party to use their logo within his campaign logo. However, he does have an image on his website of himself and on the side a logo which states, "Merle Rutledge 2021 Virginia Governor's Republican Candidate". Could that possibly be cropped out of the larger image and used in place? ThisUserIsTaken (talk) 04:10, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I would think that's OK; if I'm looking at the same thing as you, it's in one of the rotating images at the top of the page. Note that Blanding or someone on her staff has now added her campaign logo to the page since this discussion began. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes that is the image I'm referring to. The first one you see when entering his website. Not the second rotating image with the firearm. Also, Peter Doran has a logo published on his website as well. I would add it, but I'm not too familiar with the process of adding photos to Wikipedia. ThisUserIsTaken (talk) 07:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Table and photos for primary candidates
The precedent from pages about previous VA gov races, as well as most races in the US other than Presidential, is to use a simple list of names with a short description (usually previous positions). I suggest the tables with photos be removed and replaced with a simple list for consistency. --eduardog3000 (talk) 16:12, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems that change was initially made by in this edit; I've pinged them accordingly for input. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * lol just thought it looked cool. there are other election pages besides presidential races that have photo tables. seems pretty random which have and don't have them. again, and i cannot stress enough, i thought it would look cool BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:39, 26 January 2021 (PST)
 * Honestly, I agree. It absolutely helps as a visual aid, drawing attention to what would otherwise be a wall of text (see MOS:PERTINENCE). I think if you're worried about consistency, we should in fact go the other way: including more images in other articles on elections. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:59, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The table is unnecessary, and yes, BottleofChocolateMilk, it looks abysmal to have them take up so much space with placeholder images. A gallery may be better and there's no need to be inconsistent with everything else. Reywas92Talk 02:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am genuinely concerned that removing the placeholder images would present an NPOV issue, as by causing candidates without images to be physically reduced in size, it may imply them to have reduced importance. I think that concern should take precedence over aesthetic ones. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd say the existence of actual photos for some but just placeholders for others is its own NPOV issue. A regular list instead of a table solves that. --eduardog3000 (talk) 02:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The tables should definitely be removed. This is not a presidential election. I have not seen any other articles on non-presidential election events that use tables for candidates. Love of Corey (talk) 18:47, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello? This discussion hasn't been updated in a while. Has consensus been reached? The tables are becoming an eyesore. Love of Corey (talk) 19:02, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

For consistency's sake
How are we going to reference the constituencies of state legislators? By hometown, as it is here, or by district, as it is in the article for the lieutenant governor's race? Additionally, should former state legislators (who are not currently holding another public office, are retired, etc.) be listed under "state delegates" / "state senators" or under "individuals"? RexSueciae (talk) 16:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Glenn Youngkin
A Draft:Glenn Youngkin has been available for two months. Here is some of the significant coverage Youngkin has received over the past nine years: Draft talk:Glenn Youngkin. The draft has been cleaned of the promotionalism that IPs kept repeatedly adding, and cleaned of any other promotional language or sections. He is notable as the former co-CEO of the world's largest private equity firm. I'm noting the existence of the draft here in case someone wants to review this and if desired move it to article space. Oxenriver (talk) 01:35, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@ Nosebagbear and Zoozaz1, I see on the AFC reviewers list that you assess politics-related articles. This draft has been around for months, but it keeps getting vandalized (with promotionalism and/or inflammatory claims) by anonymous IP accounts, and that has prevented it from being accepted at AFC. I recently reverted the most recent IP attack (which I hadn't noticed for 10 days). Youngkin is notable as the former co-CEO of the world's largest private equity firm, and some of his significant coverage over the past 9 years is listed here: Draft talk:Glenn Youngkin. I believe it would be valuable to the Wikipedia reader to have this posted live prior to the Virginia Republican convention (where nominees are chosen), which is on May 8. What do you think? Oxenriver (talk) 02:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Nosebagbear, Zoozaz1, and/or Muboshgu, Youngkin has now won the Republican nomination for governor. Since there is an existing Draft:Glenn Youngkin, that has been cleaned up despite repeated bad-faith IP incursions, could you review it and if it passes consider moving it to live article space? There is a list of nine years of significant coverage on Draft talk:Glenn Youngkin. Oxenriver (talk) 03:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree with Oxenriver. Its time that Glenn Youngkin should have an article of his own, now that he has won the nomination. Nerguy (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

RfC on Glenn Youngkin's infobox
There is an RfC on Glenn Youngkin's infobox at Talk:Glenn Youngkin. Oxenriver (talk) 00:29, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Notability
FWIW, Steve Descano and Stacey Kincaid are DA and Sheriff for a jurisdiction larger than eight US states, located in a major media market with abundant press coverage. Nobody’s written their articles but their notability is a foregone conclusion, which is why they’ve been included to date: WP:ENDORSE only requires wiki-notability, not the article exist. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

The graph
The graph included in this article is disjointed - it appears to be a graph of aggregate polling data, but users continue to plainly insert new data into it, causing the lines to swing drastically and making actual data points redundant. Should the graph continue to be aggregate or should it be changed to merely reflecting every poll? The latter sounds the easiest, albeit there are aggregate lines we could use from RealClearPolitics and FiveThirtyEight. Any thoughts? S51438 (talk) 18:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Campaign drafts
There have been drafts made for both nominees' campaigns.

Glenn Youngkin Terry McAuliffe

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kellis7 14:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Internal Republican poll shows Youngkin up 4 points
47 to 43 percent, with third-party candidate obtaining 5 percent of the vote.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/glenn-youngkin-terry-mcaulifffe-poll-lead-virginia-4-points

62.226.86.97 (talk) 22:33, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Insider Advantage poll: Youngkin up 2
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/youngkin-ahead-of-mcauliffe-in-fox-5-exclusive-poll-of-virginias-gubernatorial-race

80.131.55.48 (talk) 12:45, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Endorsements Correction to Headings
Under Terry McAuliffe the heading for endorsements start as "Federal Officials" however under Glenn Youngkin it starts as "Executive Branch Officials" They should be labeled the same or split up under Terry. It lists Barack Obama & Bill Clinton as a "Federal Official" however fails to give the same recognition to Donald Trump presumably because of bias as to how the "Endorsements" are identified giving preference to Terry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natesroomrule (talk • contribs) 01:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2021
This election is still ongoing, and the result has yet to be certified, so this page should reflect that the results of this election are not finalized. 2600:1017:B81C:ACBF:4055:DC9F:1B59:BE58 (talk) 13:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Untitled
Add flips from 09-17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jm33746 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Bias
This page seems very biased in favor of the Democratic candidate’s defeat instead of Youngkin, who won fairly. Dancingtudorqueen (talk) 13:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You should provide examples if you want any changes to be made. clpo13(talk) 23:24, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2021
The county map is wrong, Glenn Youngkin didn't win Suffolk County. 2600:1700:24D2:110:91EE:A44A:23B9:D88A (talk) 01:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Go to the talk page of the map itself instead, ie. c:File:2021 Virginia gubernatorial election results map by county.svg  — twotwofourtysix (My talk page and contributions) 01:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The map has been updated, thank you.  — twotwofourtysix (My talk page and contributions) 01:57, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Map Style
I noticed that the map style for the 2021 gov elections are diffrent then in previous election maps, what's the reason for this change? If anything, keeping the older style of maps allows for easier comparisons to previous races. Gordfather69 (talk) 03:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I also noticed this; the newer map has thinner and more detailed county boundaries. As for why that is, I don't know myself since I didn't upload the original map.  — twotwofourtysix (My talk page and contributions) 03:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

surry
surry county is the blue county that is supposed to be red — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5d:4500:34e3:9845:b33f:ed1d:e1f7 (talk) 13:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

map
Change the map, a county that is blue is supposed to be red. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5D:4500:34E3:9845:B33F:ED1D:E1F7 (talk) 12:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * What county?  — twotwofourtysix (My talk page and contributions) 13:00, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * surry county — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5d:4500:34e3:9845:b33f:ed1d:e1f7 (talk) 13:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I have apparently misread the vote count and it has now been corrected. Thanks.  — twotwofourtysix (My talk page and contributions) 13:11, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

no problem — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5D:4500:34E3:9845:B33F:ED1D:E1F7 (talk) 13:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Graph
As noted by (talk) 18:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC) the graphs on this page need help. My attention was drawn to the graph in Polling for the General election. The line shows an abrupt decline in popularity for Youngkin around 1 September but the data don't show a drop. There are several other wiggles that appear unrelated to the underlying data. A quick review of the other graphs suggests they also have problems. Jreiss17 (talk) 14:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Why
Why do both candidates keep losing votes? Trenton Hake (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC) —  is a confirmed sock puppet of.


 * The VDoE have released their unofficial results of the election, which triumph the results reported by news sites. This results in a difference of votes. Kellis7 18:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

vote
hey, its me again, sorry to be annoying, but the vote tally is a little off and the margin is too — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5D:4500:34E3:9845:B33F:ED1D:E1F7 (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC) margins should be 50.9%-48.4% votes should be 1,658,686-1,579,401 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5D:4500:34E3:9845:B33F:ED1D:E1F7 (talk) 19:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ Except 50.9%, as it is at 50.83% and is rounded down. Seems the vote has changed also, but thanks for the indication. Also, it's impossible to be annoying when you're providing productive edits. Kellis7 22:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Inclusion of second decimal in results by county and city
I believe it would be much less confusing for editors and more informative for readers if we include the second decimal in the results by county and city section of the article (ex. 85.16% instead of 85.2%). Additionally, the percentages in the results by county and city section do not correspond with the Virginia Department of Elections percentages which the editor used for reference. I would like to get everyone else's thought on this and use the more precise percentages used by the Virginia Department of Elections. MogasTheThird (talk) 22:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, two decimal places is the usual level of precision in election articles. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 23:00, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Tulsi Gabbard 'endorsement'
It seems to me, from the source given, that Gabbard didn't really 'endorse' Youngkin in the manner in which 'endorse' is usually meant. It seems that after the race was called, she said something positive about McAuliffe losing (not necessarily about Youngkin winning), something which was very specific.

It seems to me that 'endorse' would generally mean that the person let it be publicly known before the election that he or she wanted the endorsee to win the election in question (not that he or she would see some upside in the other candidate losing). But, I'm not going to make the change myself because perhaps technically that is an endorsement. Toadmore (talk) 20:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Youngkin Image
Who changed the image of Glenn Youngkin? That was pretty unnecessary. GamingJam (talk) 15:13, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Which vote totals are correct?
The vote totals for McAuliffe and Youngkin in the small box in the upper right corner of the page are different from the vote totals for them in the "Results" section further down the page. Which ones are correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.167.67.59 (talk) 15:30, 9 November 2021 (UTC)