Talk:2022–2023 mpox outbreak

Discrepancy in count of deaths.
As of today, the article shows 280 total deaths. However WHO only reports a total of 112 (see link below). This is a significant difference. I understand that this is a discrepancy in sources, and we have no control over it - but should we highlight this in the article?

(Thanks User:INgIEroC for regularly updating the statistics)

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20230329_mpox_external-sitrep-19.pdf

Bob (talk) 18:22, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Suggested move: 2022-2023 global mpox outbreak
The current title only reflects the viewpoint of the global north; it is an outbreak from endemic areas in tropical Africa to other countries where the disease has not been seen before. It is not the only outbreak of mpox which has taken place during 2022 or 2023 - there have been other outbreaks during this period in endemic areas. These areas are have poor healthcare infrastructure and outbreaks are rarely documented.

The WHO is very careful to refer to the outbreak as either "Global" or "Multi-Country" - we should do the same. 23:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

2022–2023 mpox outbreak → Global mpox outbreak – Please see the previous two brief headings on this page. The global outbreak did not actually end in 2023 (see also ), and it is more properly described as the global outbreak to distinguish it from outbreaks in previously endemic regions. There is no need for naming specific years in the title; other disease outbreak/epidemic articles do not do this. Crossroads -talk- 18:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Disaster management, WikiProject Viruses, WikiProject LGBT studies, WikiProject Medicine/Dermatology task force, and WikiProject Medicine have been notified of this discussion. RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:31, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Support – there is no clear evidence/consensus amongst scientists that the outbreak ended in 2023, and there has not been any other global Mpox outbreaks. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 06:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Other disease articles do have years for example 2009 swine flu pandemic. The outbreak is over. The one or two remaining cases are isolated events. The link says:
 * As of January 10, 2024, the data on this page are no longer being updated. Low-level transmission of the mpox clade II subtype is occurring in the U.S. There has not been a marked change in weekly or monthly national case counts during the last 6 months.
 * The current title is accurate. Graham Beards (talk) 07:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Graham Beards, is that source saying that the outbreak is over in the US, rather than globally? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The World Health Organization lifted the Public health emergency of international concern notice on mpox in May 2023. The 2022–2023  global outbreak of mpox was caused by a strain known as clade IIb.  Yes, the source refers to the US but the outbreak is over in Europe. Sporadic cases have occured since the outbreak and no doubt will continue to occur. But unless we can find a source that clearly says the outbreak caused by this clade is ongoing (in gay men), I would be not agree to the page move. Graham Beards (talk) 17:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I wonder whether some people/sources misunderstand statements that low-level transmission is still occurring as meaning the outbreak isn't over. They might think that "when the outbreak is over, nobody has it", when the typical definitions are closer to "when it's over, only the usual number of people have it" (like people getting flu on the off season).
 * ("What happened to the mpox pandemic?") says things like "Multiple countries have had recent pockets of infection, but the numbers of weekly cases have usually been in single digits" and "the small number of new cases recently reported in Barcelona do not represent the start of any new large-scale outbreak".  ("The end of the mpox pandemic?") from early last year suggests that the global outbreak was ending.   said "WHO declared the mpox pandemic over on May 11, 2023".   calls it the "2022-2023 Mpox multi-country outbreak".   (from this year) says "the 2022-23 Mpox outbreak" and "the 2022-23 global outbreak".  This all suggests to me that the outbreak is not (technically) continuing.
 * (Also, we probably need an article on network immunity.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Very wise and well sourced. Thank you. Graham Beards (talk) 19:37, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose per Graham Beards. &#123;{u&#124;  Gtoffoletto  &#125;}  talk 19:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Lede needs rewriting
The lede is an accumulation of timeline events and does not adequately, concisely summary the global outbreak, doesnt even mention clade specificity; it needs rewriting- that s why I actually came to this talk page, though I replied to the question of whether the outbreak is over above.. Wuerzele (talk) 09:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)